marketing is a big difference. it hasn't been marketed the same way. also you have no idea on actual supply to make that determination, and i'm not sure the "first run" sold out in minutes. I think it kind of grew a little bit and later runs kept selling out quicker as paranoia set in.
but as you state, probably marketing as obtaining "sub2" makes it appeal more to faster runners than a blanket 'improvement' of "4%" for "everyone".
The tread is kind of like the inverse of the waffle racer of days gone by.
Good looking shoe, but since I just dropped $250 on the 4%s and also just got a new pair of Adios, I will not be buying these.
As a pretty heavy pronator, the loss of the plastic shank is probably not a great idea for me when it comes to racing the marathon (although the lack of any stability features admittedly did not stop me from splurging on the Vaporflys).
Also, where are the reviews (roadtrailrun, believe in the run, etc)? Reminds of when you can tell a movie coming out is going to be bad because there are no pre-release reviews. Curious that they did not release the shoe to any shoe reviewers.
You might have your timelines confused. in some cases companies send shoes to places like roadtrailrun early, but they didn't review the Vaporfly4% until late July...and I don't think I've ever seen a vaporfly full review on Believe in the Run. I think some shoes just don't get the early release to reviewers treatment. I don't think there's necessarily a cause and effect there.
Sub2not2popular wrote:
Also, where are the reviews (roadtrailrun, believe in the run, etc)? Reminds of when you can tell a movie coming out is going to be bad because there are no pre-release reviews. Curious that they did not release the shoe to any shoe reviewers.
probably a good thing they aren't being reviewed by the 9 minute milers, wouldn't apply to what we'd use them for, no?
Smoove wrote:
The tread is kind of like the inverse of the waffle racer of days gone by.
Good looking shoe, but since I just dropped $250 on the 4%s and also just got a new pair of Adios, I will not be buying these.
As a pretty heavy pronator, the loss of the plastic shank is probably not a great idea for me when it comes to racing the marathon (although the lack of any stability features admittedly did not stop me from splurging on the Vaporflys).
Smoove - after your showing at Gate River Run - great race btw - I assume you're running Boston in the Vaporflys?
800 dude wrote:
well,, wrote:
Boost is not hard. It is very soft (try a pair of Ultraboost, and you´ll see what I mean). Most Adidas shoes only have a part of the midsole made of Boost. The rest is made of more traditional material. Adios feels firm because there is no Boost in the forefoot.
This is all wrong. Boost is like any other foam. It isn't inherently soft or hard; it can be produced in varying levels of firmness. Also, Adidas Boost shoes (unlike Saucony until recently) are all boost, other than the insole. Adios is also all boost, including in the forefoot.
100% wrong. The adios uses an 80/20 ratio of boost to standard Eva foam. I forget if they use adiprene or adiprene plus for the 20%. The Boston has a 75/25 split. If they made the shoe entirely of boost it would feel far too mushy the way the ultraboost and pureboost do. Yes the boost can be tuned to be firmer as Saucony showed with everun but this new boost is lighter so I'd expect it to be softer.
Takinadump wrote:
800 dude wrote:
This is all wrong. Boost is like any other foam. It isn't inherently soft or hard; it can be produced in varying levels of firmness. Also, Adidas Boost shoes (unlike Saucony until recently) are all boost, other than the insole. Adios is also all boost, including in the forefoot.
100% wrong. The adios uses an 80/20 ratio of boost to standard Eva foam. I forget if they use adiprene or adiprene plus for the 20%. The Boston has a 75/25 split. If they made the shoe entirely of boost it would feel far too mushy the way the ultraboost and pureboost do. Yes the boost can be tuned to be firmer as Saucony showed with everun but this new boost is lighter so I'd expect it to be softer.
If it is 80% boost, then the original point would be 20% wrong, not 100%. ?
Finally got to try these. First thing, I can't believe how light they are. I wear a men's 11.5 and it's lighter than anything I've ever tried on. The upper is thin but structured enough. Full continental feels like it grips very very well on the ground. The midsole is firmer when you press on it from the side compared to regular Boost. It's flexible but still a bit snappy. I'll do some mile repeats in them tomorrow then wear them for Shamrock Shuffle 8k next weekend.
forcerunner wrote:
Finally got to try these. First thing, I can't believe how light they are. I wear a men's 11.5 and it's lighter than anything I've ever tried on. The upper is thin but structured enough. Full continental feels like it grips very very well on the ground. The midsole is firmer when you press on it from the side compared to regular Boost. It's flexible but still a bit snappy. I'll do some mile repeats in them tomorrow then wear them for Shamrock Shuffle 8k next weekend.
Please report back, would love to hear how these felt. I also would like a race report from a half or full marathon, but I can't be too picky.
Is the durability expected to be similar to the adios boost? Very frustrating how the 4% only last for a 100+ miles.
vivalarepublica wrote:
forcerunner wrote:
Finally got to try these. First thing, I can't believe how light they are. I wear a men's 11.5 and it's lighter than anything I've ever tried on. The upper is thin but structured enough. Full continental feels like it grips very very well on the ground. The midsole is firmer when you press on it from the side compared to regular Boost. It's flexible but still a bit snappy. I'll do some mile repeats in them tomorrow then wear them for Shamrock Shuffle 8k next weekend.
Please report back, would love to hear how these felt. I also would like a race report from a half or full marathon, but I can't be too picky.
I’ll have mine soon. Half in a month and full in two, so I’ll let you know.
bracketbust wrote:
Is the durability expected to be similar to the adios boost? Very frustrating how the 4% only last for a 100+ miles.
No. According to adidas: "This is race-day only shoe" developed for the world's best athletes. They guarantee 4 marathons, i.e. ca. 200 km. Adios you can wear for probably 1000 km. :)
I would like to hear how the cushioning is. Does light weight mean much less cushioning because Kipsang doesn't need it? Or does the shoe still have quite a lot cushioning but it compresses fast and therefore shoes need replacement after 4 marathons?
I just got a pair yesterday. The boost material is from heel to toe, and feels good on the foot. It is in fact insanely light. I did notice the boost material is a bit more firm than the boost pellets in my Tempo 9s and Adios Boosts. There is A LOT more bounce in the heel of the other two shoes, but I do like how there is a significant amount of boost in the forefoot. The Tempo 9s and Adios have a thin layer of boost and then quite a bit of EVA up there.
I know its supposed to be a race day only shoe, but I would be a moron to not try them out before race day. I am doing a 10x1k workout tomorrow, I will report back.
FrontRangeDan wrote:
It is in fact insanely light.
151g in size 41 1/3 (that has to be 7.5 UK, and I think 8 US). These aren't ski boots, but it's still almost twice the weight of the Wave Universe 5.
You know anyone who's run a 2:03 marathon in the Wave Universe 5?
RunningWarehouse has them at 5.5oz in size 9US. I think I have socks that weight more than that, ha!
I don't care about 2:3 runners, I'm 2:39. And I did that in Wave Universe 5s.
If you run in these socks, I advise changing socks.
Seriously, these shoes are pretty light, but nothing exceptional. They are only marginally lighter than the Takumi Sens.
Anyway, what matters is how fast one can run in them.
grox wrote:
If you run in these socks, I advise changing socks.
Seriously, these shoes are pretty light, but nothing exceptional. They are only marginally lighter than the Takumi Sens.
Anyway, what matters is how fast one can run in them.
I'd agree with you that they aren't the lightest shoes I've ever run in, but for what it's worth, I like the boost in these more than the Takumi Sens. But maybe it's just because my Sens are getting older and I don't remember what they were like new.
Anyway, looking forward to racing in the sub 2s.