Edward Cheserek runs 3:49.44 mile at BU

Yes, i'm going to gripe about it. Its a college track meet. no one cares about professional running, let alone college running. I didn't even pay for a seat. I had to stand next to college kids who poked their phones in my face to take snapchats of cheserek.

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Do you ever have anything supportive to say?

This guy is running faster than any American and wants to represent the US.

In what set of rules says he needs to be of American citizenship or, no older than 18 to set a High School record? There are plenty of kids who start late and graduate at 19, or close to it, I don't believe that makes any of a real difference. Are you going to say that it isn't fair in the same respect for any of the athletes born outside of the US and who run at NCAA with maybe a 5th year is unfair as well?

If Cheserek or anyone who wants to represent the US, wants to be educated, wants to compete at US schools, it's their freaking American right to do so, regardless of where they are from. So much ignorance on this site, and people trying to make mountains out of molehills, stir the pot, etc.... I thought America was the "melting pot". Or am I wrong?

Seyta wrote:

David Phrum wrote:

3. Cheserek admitting to being at least 19 as a high-school senior is both superfluous and not a reason to assume he meant only 19. It is all but certain he turned 21 before he graduated.

Point 3 is nonsensical. When he first arrived in the US, he was ALREADY declared as being overage for his grade by 1 year. He has never tried to hide the fact that he believed he was overage at all. As for supposedly being 21, I would like to see even a SINGLE piece of Proof for that.

If he really said "at least 19" and didn't simply give a DOB, that is de facto evidence to any thinking person that he was older than 19. He might not have been 21 when he graduated, but I'd bet good money on him being 21 within a few months of his HS graduation at most if there were a way to verify it. He was probably two full years ahead of his U.S. classmates.

I remember when Guor Majak, later Guor Marial and Gour Maker in some order, was allowed to run the 2005 indoor nationals in NYC in March despite the organizers believing he would turn 20 the next month, because they felt bad for him thanks to his Lost Boy status. Well, a few years later he admits he actually turned 21 that year, not 20 (which would have been bad enough).

And you already brought up Solomon Haile, attempting to use this as a counterpoint when in fact it only underscores a simple truth: Most of these unknown-age African immigrant kids and their handlers lie. They have ample motivation to deceive, and it's hard to catch them, and when they are caught, they just plead ignorance or a paperwork mishap or whatever.

The "admission" by Ches that he was a little older sounds a lot like one of those pre-emptive strikes to prevent the discovery of a much more controversial reality.

All of that said, I am surprised and impressed to see how well he is running now. I would have thought Oregon fried him good by using him as often as possible in everything, but obviously not.

Excellent recap by Jonathan Gault is up.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/02/edward-cheserek-blasts-349-44-move-2-time-world-indoor-list/

Congratulations to Ches for destroying his own Kenyan indoor mile record and for coming so close to Rotich's Kenyan indoor 1500m record of 3:32.11 (from 1998).

Put him on the Monaco gravy train and he runs 3:28

leopardly wrote:

I was there. Sure it was a solo run but the building was packed with screaming fans so its not like he was out by himself at practice. The crowd, and the fact that he was paced to 1200m, likely made up for the lack of competition

tfw you are reaching to discredit a 3:49i mile. only on LRC.

seriously, what did Chez do to y'all? lol.

rojo wrote:

Excellent recap by Jonathan Gault is up.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/02/edward-cheserek-blasts-349-44-move-2-time-world-indoor-list/

Eh, decent recap. There will probably be 15 better ones during outdoors.

Nooooooooo wrote:

rojo wrote:

Excellent recap by Jonathan Gault is up.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/02/edward-cheserek-blasts-349-44-move-2-time-world-indoor-list/

Eh, decent recap. There will probably be 15 better ones during outdoors.

Haha, this was a good one.

The psychological advice being posted also is wonderful. Thanks letsrunners!

All I can say is "OH my God" way to fly Chez! Man he looked good in the finish. Please stay healthy and take care of yourself! Good luck Chez ...just amazing.

100m wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

Did Ches steal your wife or something? There's like 15 posts on this thread and 5 of them are you trying to downplay or discredit his run.

Newsflash: 2nd fastest indoor miler ever. Give him credit (not "good job, but [insert 2 ways to tear him down]) or quit posting.

I would say: speak for yourself. I appreciate Rojo's context here. Also, it's his site, so he can share his opinion irrespective of your willingness to hear it.

I would say: I'll continue to celebrate the sport and you/rojo can continue to minimize the incredible performances of others.

Based on the comments of the letsrun community, it would seem you are both in the minority here.

Ches is king for the day and y'all should enjoy it!

Video of the performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p05Hm0h0D00

3 seconds is a lot in the mile rojo, the dude has gotten a lot faster. This string of victories is pretty insane, and an indoor mile, albeit a time trial designed just for him, only one second slower than Hicham El Guerrouj is some really mind blowing stuff.

Rojo, was hacked! You guys should have realized this by now and move on. Comments attributed to him are completely off, make no sense at all. If indeed indoor track was faster than outdoor track, why are the indoor times slower than outdoor times across all events? Below is a quote from Runners' world.

"...you really can’t fight physics. Having to negotiate twice as many turns in the same distance is why indoor track records are slower than outdoor ones. Note: At the end of the day, every race would be faster if it were run on a perfectly flat, perfectly straight line, with no curves at all..."

https://www.runnersworld.com/track-meets/why-is-indoor-track-slower

* if indoor track was slower than outdoor..

As to the speed of the track, I have heard it described as "a freaking trampoline" on these very boards. Having raced on the track myself, I am inclined to agree. It returns a lot of energy and feels great to run on, and probably reduces some of the jarring impact type fatigue to the muscles, nerves, whatever. Would love to see an expose/in depth study of its properties.

That said, 3:49.44 is terrific, wonderful, fabulous. And inspirational.

A lot of great track & field training stuff out there, you will regret if you missed it : https://goo.gl/jGwcYY