Won by a ton too ; )
Event 41 Men 1 Mile Run Invitational
Heat 1 of 1
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Name Year Team Finals
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1 Cheserek, Ed SKET 3:49.44
-- Piazza, Drew USA DNF
-- Campbell, Kamoy REBO DNS
-- Kidder, Brandon BRKS DNF
Was an impressive run. He was hauling at the end.
Anyone have splits?
55, 1:55, 2:53 I believe
All I saw was 3:20 high with 200 to go. But WOW, he’s the second fastest of all time. WR next year?!
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
Anyone have splits?
He was 3:49ish through the mile
I'm glad that he broke 3:50 but as I said in another thread perspective is needed here. I'll re-post what I wrote in that thread.
tzzy03 wrote:
Hope the running world is ready for someone of this talent..
Let's don't get carried away here. I'm happy to see Cheserek is doing well. The only thing that bothers me is is 100% don't believe he should hold any US HS records due to questions about his age. Well not even questions. By his own admission he was at least 19 in February of his senior year. If you are 19, you should be in college.
But now he's listed as being 24. Do you think the World hasn't seen a sub-3:50 miler at 24? You think that's unprecedented. Really?
It's only making big waves because it's indoors. In my mind (and possibly Nick Willis's), indoors is probably almost just as fast as outdoors for the mile. There is zero wind. Temp is 70.
Anyways, 3:50 is equivalent to 3:32.9 for 1500. Last year, there were 12 men that broke 3:33 for 1500 and 5 of them were younger than Cheserek who was born in 1994 - Timothy Cheriyot (3:29.10, born in 1995), Ronald Kwemoi\ (3:30.89 born in 1995) , Charles Simotwo (3:32.59, born in 1995) , Yomif Kejelcha (3:32.04, born in 97), Justus Soget (3:32.97, born in 99).
Kejelcha's listed age is 3.5 years younger than Ches.
When Caleb Ndiku was Cheserek's age, he had already run 3:29.50 in the 1500, 12:59 in the 5000 and won World Championship silver in the 5000.
So yes, I think the world is ready for someone of his talent. It's running on the DL circuit every single year but a Western bias prevents most people from appreciating it.
Don't misunderstand me. Cheserek is a beast and it's great that Americans are paying attention to a Kenyan talent and recognizing it as being something special - it's just sad that they have to go to school over her (and enjoy all the advantages of the Western world) to be properly appreciated.
Rojo
So he is a fast as the third fastest Ingebrigtsen?
Awesome!
What I overheard on the livestream.
57
155
3:30
You are ignoring the fact that this is indoors. It is worth a 3:32 indoors. Only 3 men have broken 3:33 indoors.
WOW
Only behind Guerrouj
Go Ches!!!
I thought this was tomorrow. Oh well, great time. Excited to see what he does when the real track season starts.
This tweet is an example of the craziness/lack of understanding of the sport that I'm talking about.
https://twitter.com/ReedBreuer/status/962117715786780672
It doesn't convert to anything other than 3:49 outdoors,maybe slightly faster.
Does anyone rmeember wher Rupp ran 13:01.26 indoors in 2014? OMG, what would it convert to outdoors? How about 13:00.99. Rupp's lifetime PB is 12:58.90.
Plus last year Cheserek ran 3:52.01 indoors and then promptly got destroyed in the mile at NCAAs two weeks later by 2.20 seconds.
But it’s February. Those other runners you listed ran those times months later in the year, with months more training. No way any of those guys are in 3:49 shape right now, including Manangoi, Iguider, etc. Plus this was a time trial, Ches had nobody to race but the clock once the pacer was gone. This equates to 3:32ish for 1500 and nobody has run that fast indoors since El G, I’m pretty sure.
rojo wrote:
Plus last year Cheserek ran 3:52.01 indoors and then promptly got destroyed in the mile at NCAAs two weeks later by 2.20 seconds.
Yeah after running a mile prelim and a 5k.
What's the matter, rojo? Grumpy at all the publicity FloTrack got?
There are often 5 major circuit miles outdoors, Pre, London, Oslo, sometimes Rome, and at least one other. Yet, sub 3:50 is not often run. So, this is a very impressive result. I was absolutely wrong in predicting he wouldn't do it and would run 3:51 or high 3:50, but I have to say I was second-guessing my prediction a bit when I was reminded by the Haas article that he'd already run 3:52.01 indoors last year, that he was training at altitude for the first time, and that his mileage had risen to 100 per week. All of that, plus the ABQ and the flat track result, did suggest that he was very much ready to drop considerable time.
A sub 3:50 outdoors has happened just 61 times. Only 43 times has someone run faster than this (3:49.44) outdoors. This time has been beaten outside just 22 times since 2000. That makes it very solid. Last year, the only guys to beat this time were Kwemoi and Manangoi, and neither beat 3:49. Give it its due. For whatever reason, a poor sense of pace, not really preparing for the extra distance, mental hangups like the Algerian lion has mentioned in going from 1500m to mile, the 1500m to mile equivalents are rarely achieved. Props to Cheserek and at this point his age is irrelevant. When he was competing in high school it was. As for his age relative to other Kenyans, who can say because age cheating is so rampant?