"Perversion of the course of justice " comes to mind .
Esp as many conspired to this end .
The Met Police were involved many years ago but due to the cost of further investigations stopped chasing the chain of custody failures .
There may well be further cause to contact the Fraud Squad on the basis of the lies about the calibration curves and the substituted urine .
Paul edwards told me he was written to by several people one said he was a pest for just asking for proper evidence and this person was a secretary now chief executive
What is concerning why was so much tax payers money wasted over such a long period of time when it could have been sorted a lot quicker and for what reason ?
Seems this is a lot more serious than just paul edwards a much bigger picture
Does anyone know of other shot putters who have high jumped over 2 meters? Seems he was pretty handy in the 1500 as well. 4:21?
Talking to Paul when his experts went to Kcl only a few documents were disclosed but a ex international who-knew paul gave experts several hundred documents .so when experts reports were written they didn't know paul had all the evidence to prove case hence the long covering up process
Lean Cuisine wrote:
Michelle V wrote:If same old same old ,then what could be done ?
Clearly Parliament was lied to , or putting it in a milder form misinformed ,by the the Minister then should it be re opened in Parliament.
It is clear that it was a Government agency that mislead the Government and that such was compounded by Kings College not following agreed scientific procedures .
What would happen if this was a criminal case ?
If Parliament was lied to does that not make this a criminal case?
You can't lie before a Parliamentary Select Committee, it is the same as the US Senate.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Michelle V wrote:Can you explain.....
Read the many Seppelt stories.
One way or another, Edwards got his ticket punched.
There is so much corruption and secrecy in anti-doping it's impossible to know which way is up or what is real.
Sadly, I have had suspicions for many years about anti-doping. I have wondered how some athletes could suddenly do super human performances out of the blue and not fail a test. I emailed a national testing authority (for an English speaking Western country) asking them if they tested for this and that. They responded that they did, but this was utterly false, one of their top cyclists who apparently was one of their most tested athletes, who doped on everything going and then one day reinfused blood containing what we now know as Cera. He went into cardiac arrest, was rushed to hospital (and the doctors found out everything) and was in a coma for a couple of days. Yet this guy never failed a test and almost died in plain sight, yet nothing. He was back on the pro circuit in about 6 months.
Michelle V wrote:
If same old same old ,then what could be done ?
As you noticed, you cannot go after an such an organization directly. Naturally several of those persons have moved up since then, as true functionaries. Classical old boys' network. Some examples have been mentioned in this thread. Of course they are now closing ranks when openly accused of such a cover up.
Now, if you would believe in the system, you could contact IAAF's Ethics Committee, which coincidentally is also run by a British insider. Or WADA. Also run by... you know. Good luck with that!
You need to find someone who not only cares, but who wants to bring the people involved down, rather than an insider who wants to protect the reputation of UKAD and UK Athletics (and Kings College).
Maybe an investigative journalist a la Seppelt in the UK? Seppelt himself? Or someone local from the Commons who himself is on the rise and wants to make headlines? Or a rival of said "chief executive" who wants that job?
casual obsever wrote:
Michelle V wrote:If same old same old ,then what could be done ?
As you noticed, you cannot go after an such an organization directly. Naturally several of those persons have moved up since then, as true functionaries. Classical old boys' network. Some examples have been mentioned in this thread. Of course they are now closing ranks when openly accused of such a cover up.
Now, if you would believe in the system, you could contact IAAF's Ethics Committee, which coincidentally is also run by a British insider. Or WADA. Also run by... you know. Good luck with that!
You need to find someone who not only cares, but who wants to bring the people involved down, rather than an insider who wants to protect the reputation of UKAD and UK Athletics (and Kings College).
Maybe an investigative journalist a la Seppelt in the UK? Seppelt himself? Or someone local from the Commons who himself is on the rise and wants to make headlines? Or a rival of said "chief executive" who wants that job?
You may be right but the forced not to rock the boat are so great that even Letsrun seems to havr given to these forces .
Would letsrun deny or otherwise that they are now selectively removing posts that indicate a bigger conspiracy to continue the cover up of the failures of test procedures .
I understand that senior minister in a previous government would vouch for how even Lord Coe walked away from discussing this .
Come on Letsrun , come clean !
exthrower wrote:
In the history of track has there ever been a drug cheat who got caught who came clean about their drug usage? MJ was never completely honest about it and the rest just continued lying...
You have clearly not bothered to read the various cases on UKAD or UDADA .
And what on earth has MJ got to do with fabricated evidence in the Edwards case .
Clean athletes should be protected from dirty drug testers .
Chambers?
Michelle V wrote:
You may be right but the forced not to rock the boat are so great that even Letsrun seems to havr given to these forces .
Would letsrun deny or otherwise that they are now selectively removing posts that indicate a bigger conspiracy to continue the cover up of the failures of test procedures .
I understand that senior minister in a previous government would vouch for how even Lord Coe walked away from discussing this .
Come on Letsrun , come clean !
What was deleted?
Freedom of information act file which is 120 pages commissioner and staff enquiring Why other athletes were reinstated for no calibration data while mr edwards was banned for life they were questioning why he was not given data with various excuses and public costs
I find this very weird does not make sense going to try to find out more
Bronwynn wrote:
I find this very weird does not make sense going to try to find out more
Yes , why would the WADA lab cause a massive file to exist on their refusal to provide data that they always provided in other cases ?
Why would they try and refuse to provide the evidence of urine substitution ?
Why does Letsrun now refuse to accept his posts ?
The freedom information file I will put documents up
Michelle V wrote:
Bronwynn wrote:I find this very weird does not make sense going to try to find out more
Yes , why would the WADA lab cause a massive file to exist on their refusal to provide data that they always provided in other cases ?
Why would they try and refuse to provide the evidence of urine substitution ?
Why does Letsrun now refuse to accept his posts ?
You keep trying to attribute this to WADA. Stop it. WADA has nothing to do with it. They are a standards setting organization with the authority of a mall cop.
If I am not mistaken, you are the pro-Russia troll who posts every possible doubt about WADA no matter how ridiculous.
The facts around the case are still very instructive about how corrupt the federation is. That is not WADA's problem.
Kcl try to use wada rules to protect them when wada didn't exist in 1997 but calabration data has always been part of tests in fact at this time professor Cowan wrote papers for medical journals etc to verify how important calabration data was
Pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Michelle V wrote:Yes , why would the WADA lab cause a massive file to exist on their refusal to provide data that they always provided in other cases ?
Why would they try and refuse to provide the evidence of urine substitution ?
Why does Letsrun now refuse to accept his posts ?
You keep trying to attribute this to WADA. Stop it. WADA has nothing to do with it. They are a standards setting organization with the authority of a mall cop.
If I am not mistaken, you are the pro-Russia troll who posts every possible doubt about WADA no matter how ridiculous.
The facts around the case are still very instructive about how corrupt the federation is. That is not WADA's problem.
Kings College Drug Testing Centre is a WADA lab and it is this lab that has made the mistakes .Wada accredited the lab and can remove such .
It was KCL that refused to provide the evidence that would have cleared Edwards .
Please explain how WADA has nothing to do with it .
The main body at fault is KCL however .
This does not mean that the federations are not complicit nor the NADA that provide the funds .
As for Russia , I have posted nothing , but if you want my opinion , the problem is 95% Russia and then some sharing between WADA and key IF's . But such is nothing to do with this case .