A lifeline for Colleen Quigley? London World Champ organizers put cones out in violation of IAAF rules

NOP Skeptic wrote:

You can clearly see her right arm moving towards the back of the Kenyans athletes back. If she didn't step on the line, she would've had to stutter step the next 3 or 4 steps, sit behind her and wait to pass on the next straight.

Exactly. You don't get to violate the bend just because running it legally is slower!

Obvious DQ.

I pointed out earlier on the other thread that cones were supposed to be on line as this is the rule. I wasn't sure but it appeared to me the cones were not properly located on the line. These new pics definitely show mismarking of the course - violation of the course per required rules.

There is no doubt cone positioning matters to runners. I see it all the time indoors where they are "guided" away from the line when cones are properly placed. I expect the same for outdoors.

There are rules and there are also rule interpretations. The rules are clear but certainly when you have a non-laned race you need to do some rules interpretation- in this case if a runner is forced inside line/curb/etc.

I don't believe the rules require being physically pushed, shoved, knocked resulting in stepping inside of line/curb. A runner can be subtly forced to move without contact when being squeezed by an opposing runner (without contact).

I believe this is what happened in the steeple with Quigley. She was being squeezed inside because the Kenyan runner (and all runners) were taking a tighter turn. With poor cone positioning and a subtle forcing inside by a competitor she ended up stepping on the line.

Also, unique to the steeple chase, the water pit creates all kinds of havoc (entering and exiting). It forces runners to "regroup" coming off the water jump to regain form/position/etc.This chaos is unavoidable in a tight group.

This chaos makes it exciting. However, the runners have only a few steps between exiting the water pit and making their tight turn.

It just seems to me that this isn't a simple "rules are rules, she stepped on the line". It is more that she was forced to move by a competitor in a tight space, entering a tight turn, after the entire group "regroups" from the water pit. With no curb or proper cone placement there were many factors that contributed to her stepping on the line and those outside factors should have been interpreted - resulting in no violation.

I know it happened in Rio as well but I didn't review it as much at the time. Kemboi likely shouldn't have been dq'd there.

So clearly you are not filing a protest or even responding. Therefore the other poster wins your argument and you lose. Tough way to go down.

nameTIMEpunchline wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

You can clearly see her right arm moving towards the back of the Kenyans athletes back. If she didn't step on the line, she would've had to stutter step the next 3 or 4 steps, sit behind her and wait to pass on the next straight.

Exactly. You don't get to violate the bend just because running it legally is slower!

Obvious DQ.

I was implying she should be reinstated on the grounds of being cut off, but yes just go ahead and use my quote to somehow reason your opposing agenda.

You people who think she should have been DQ'd are clearly riding the egotistical IAAF bandwagon.

Shame on USATF for not backing her up if they didn't. If this was a sprinter like Gatlin or Felix, I bet they would think twice.

USAKarma wrote:

"I never called you an idiot, please learn to read entire comments before you respond. Since you clearly didn't read mine I'm not going to bother replying to yours until you can read the whole 5 sentences and respond accordingly. Cheers"

I like the way the other poster boxed you in by taking the high road which cut you off from further snide name calling and then pushed you into to hard reality of your argument about other sports. You were left with nowhere to go except to give up and not respond.

But like most Letsrun posters you just had to respond to say you weren't responding.

Technically you responded and did so weakly so yes the other poster wins and you have taken yourself out. I hope you can honor yourself and not bloody respond anymore.

idk dude, id say by you not responding to *not a steepler* for petty reasons involving a miscommunication as to who called whom an idiot, id say not a steepler has you beat

The old go away ploy trolling for a response, so obvious yet the fish can't resist biting

I shall speak no more forever? wrote:

USAKarma wrote:

"I never called you an idiot, please learn to read entire comments before you respond. Since you clearly didn't read mine I'm not going to bother replying to yours until you can read the whole 5 sentences and respond accordingly. Cheers"

I like the way the other poster boxed you in by taking the high road which cut you off from further snide name calling and then pushed you into to hard reality of your argument about other sports. You were left with nowhere to go except to give up and not respond.

But like most Letsrun posters you just had to respond to say you weren't responding.

Technically you responded and did so weakly so yes the other poster wins and you have taken yourself out. I hope you can honor yourself and not bloody respond anymore.

Quote my name calling please. Don't worry I'll wait

For anybody who still cares, Q-girl is back in.

JB800/1500 wrote:

idk dude, id say by you not responding to *not a steepler* for petty reasons involving a miscommunication as to who called whom an idiot, id say not a steepler has you beat

If he isn't capable of understanding which person said what how can we ever hold a conversation? He'd constantly be getting confused never knowing who said what.

Source? IAAF meet results still show her as DQ.

fsdfsdfsdf wrote:

For anybody who still cares, Q-girl is back in.

USAKarma wrote:

Quote my name calling please. Don't worry I'll wait

I just ready this entire thread and no one ever said you called anyone an idiot. It seems like you're the one with the reading comprehension problem.

another runner wrote:

USAKarma wrote:

Quote my name calling please. Don't worry I'll wait

I just ready this entire thread and no one ever said you called anyone an idiot. It seems like you're the one with the reading comprehension problem.

Lmao literally the reply you quoted has someone claiming I called people names. Hahahah you cannot make this up. How did you fail that so badly?

USAkarma wrote:

Pale Fire wrote:

A track is not a basketball court, and track isn't basketball. The rules of the game are different.

They both have out of bounds lines which you cannot touch. Would you be in favor of stopping every basketball game every time someone touched a line and convening a panel of officials to judge intent, and any possible advantage gained? Of course not. Rules are rules. She broke it trying to run inside and paid for it.

In basketball going out of bounds is a turnover.

What if going out of bounds disqualified the team and gave them an instant loss?

Dude, no one is claiming that you called people names. You are delusional.

And the fish bites

Also, I like how you are completely ignoring the fact that you were terribly wrong about the DQ situation.

I shall speak no more forever? wrote:

USAKarma wrote:

"I never called you an idiot, please learn to read entire comments before you respond. Since you clearly didn't read mine I'm not going to bother replying to yours until you can read the whole 5 sentences and respond accordingly. Cheers"

I like the way the other poster boxed you in by taking the high road which cut you off from further snide name calling and then pushed you into to hard reality of your argument about other sports. You were left with nowhere to go except to give up and not respond.

But like most Letsrun posters you just had to respond to say you weren't responding.

Technically you responded and did so weakly so yes the other poster wins and you have taken yourself out. I hope you can honor yourself and not bloody respond anymore.

Huh? What

I shall speak no more forever? wrote:

I like the way the other poster boxed you in by taking the high road which cut you off from further snide name calling

Here it is round 2. Keep denying please. It's funny