Please Stephanie Garcia STOP running the Steeple

Hahahahaaaaa wrote:

former d1 steepler wrote:

I think there's a lot more guys than girls here who have run a steeple in the range Garcia is trying to go (9:10-20)

Not as a woman you haven't. I'm pretty sure Garcia has been top twenty in the world or better, and you haven't been anywhere close to that.

No sh*t, Sherlock. I'm pretty sure the track and barriers don't care if you're a man or woman, it's the same race (except for barrier height), and unless one of those few women who has broken 9:20 wants to come on here and give advice, people like me are gonna provide the best insight. And I could only lead with my left leg, my technique leading with my right was awful and I only had to do it once during a race, but I was generally pretty good at the barriers relative to my flat 3k speed (40 second differential) so that shouldn't be a real hindrance.

Hahahahaaaaa wrote:

Not as a woman you haven't. I'm pretty sure Garcia has been top twenty in the world or better, and you haven't been anywhere close to that.

former d1 steepler wrote:

No sh*t, Sherlock. I'm pretty sure the track and barriers don't care if you're a man or woman, it's the same race (except for barrier height), and unless one of those few women who has broken 9:20 wants to come on here and give advice, people like me are gonna provide the best insight. And I could only lead with my left leg, my technique leading with my right was awful and I only had to do it once during a race, but I was generally pretty good at the barriers relative to my flat 3k speed (40 second differential) so that shouldn't be a real hindrance.

Why are you posting, except to point out how you sucked.

Steph Garcia needs to try this one stupid trick to re-energize her steeple:

Stephanie Garcia is the 40th fastest woman all-time, 3000m SC. If Garcia thought she had the raw speed to compete in 1500m, Garcia would compete in 1500m. To be competitive in 1500m, Garcia would need to be a sub-4 athlete. If Garcia thought herself capable of sub-15 5000m, Garcia would be a 5000m athlete.

She's also made 0 Olympic teams in this event

Women's steeplechase has existed for less than 12 years just FYI. Much easier to make an all-time list when your event is brand new. First ran at WCs in 05 and Olympics in 08.

#10 American in the mile outdoors.

Event has been around a while.

There sure are a lot of jealous insecure men on LRC.

Because women steeplechase is relatively new does not by default make a case for Garcia to switch events. If there were a 3000 metre race sans barriers, that most likely would be best for Garcia.Garcia does not really have a choice.

It was impressive that she ran a 4:24 mile at London.

Fktorondnd wrote:

Women's steeplechase has existed for less than 12 years just FYI. Much easier to make an all-time list when your event is brand new. First ran at WCs in 05 and Olympics in 08.

It was first "run" at wc's, but not the first time it was run.

Insecure jealous men wrote:

There sure are a lot of jealous insecure men on LRC.

^ White knight to the rescue!

oopsie wrote:

Maybe she's trying to copy the Kenyan hurdling technique.

Exactly they seem to do ok

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Exactly they seem to do ok

Yes, but the difference is those Kenyan's are not slow flat runners like Garcia is. They can afford to lose time with a mediocre hurdling technique.

Garcia only made the USA team back when the steeple was weak. She's a class below Quigley, Coburn and Frerichs.

1500m is run 99% of the time, instead of the mile. You just reinforced the point. Her 4:05 PR (9 seconds slower than Rowbury) isn't that great and is also equal to a 4:24 mile. Not to mention Jenny ran 4:16 in that race hah.

Dorks wrote:

#10 American in the mile outdoors.

Event has been around a while.

really dude wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Exactly they seem to do ok

Yes, but the difference is those Kenyan's are not slow flat runners like Garcia is. They can afford to lose time with a mediocre hurdling technique.

Garcia only made the USA team back when the steeple was weak. She's a class below Quigley, Coburn and Frerichs.

THIS

ArthurNotInMyYard wrote:

Not sure if you were being facetious or not, but that's exactly how I trained for the barriers -minus the sleeping vagrants- when I ran the steeple in college, and it worked.

During distance runs I actually looked for things to jump over -hedges, fences, logs- and did just that. I tried to find barriers that were slightly higher than the competition hurdles, so in races the height felt easy. I even step-jumped mailboxes, using them as dry-land water jumps. A nearby beach had wooden jetties spaced every few hundred metres, and I did 7 - 8 mile runs there, hurdling the barriers as they came. There was no overthinking, I just cleared the barriers naturally, and never hit one in a race or had a single stumble.

This is the best post I've read on LRC in awhile. And not just in a "back in the day" sense. It captures the true essence of running. Work hard. Don't over think it. Keep it clean and simple. Build toughness. The results will follow.

really dude wrote:

Garcia only made the USA team back when the steeple was weak. She's a class below Quigley, Coburn and Frerichs.

Anyone making such a statement is showing your ignorance, and shows

there are a lot of dudes out there who are not qualified to be with a real woman.

former d1 steepler wrote:

Hahahahaaaaa wrote:

Not as a woman you haven't. I'm pretty sure Garcia has been top twenty in the world or better, and you haven't been anywhere close to that.

No sh*t, Sherlock. I'm pretty sure the track and barriers don't care if you're a man or woman, it's the same race (except for barrier height), and unless one of those few women who has broken 9:20 wants to come on here and give advice, people like me are gonna provide the best insight. And I could only lead with my left leg, my technique leading with my right was awful and I only had to do it once during a race, but I was generally pretty good at the barriers relative to my flat 3k speed (40 second differential) so that shouldn't be a real hindrance.

Agree that leading with the same leg is OK and nothing to do with good hurdling technique. The thing to do is to adjust your stride with a short step if needed further out from the barriers so that you're running at normal speed and with good technique over the barriers. Stephanie's problem is stuttering too close to the barriers. I'd advise her to lead with the same leg and practice adjusting her stride further out from the barriers in training.