Oregonering wrote:
They came to their senses, picking Rudisha and Rotich instead on newcomer Saroni. Only sensible decision, they should have faith in Rudisha to be ready for London in 5-6 weeks
Rudisha was never not going. Rotich, on the other hand, failed to finish in the top 3. And it's not like Saruni hasn't hit the standard.
We are back in Iten. The competition of 1500m was amazing, but I want to thank Asbel for what he did. It's not common that a current World Champion (and World Champion in the last 3 editions), knowing his shape at the moment is not very good, put himself at the service of the other athletes, pacing in perfect way the first 800m.
The athletes spoke before the race, asking for a fast pace, and Asbel was immediately at their disposal for launching the race in the right way.
This means the will to look at the Country before looking at himself, and is something that must be evidenced.
Coming to the race, these are the split of Ronald (who was always in 5th - 6th position for the first 800m, and was 4th at 1200m) : 55"5 - 1'52"7 (57"2) - 2'49"6 (56"9) with final 300m in 41"3.
The final is not very fast, but, after overtaking Soget, he remained in second lane in the final turn, also if could already go in front, waiting the last furlong because confident in his final sprint (I have 12"4 for the last 100m).
Timothy Cheruiyot is very aggressive, and continues to grow. Manangoi seems a little bit tired, and this is normal after running 3 times 800m during National Championships, and a 1500m in Oslo, with several trips that disturbed his preparation (the same was for Ronald after Eugene, and for that reason I decided to postpone to next year the idea of 5000m).
This is a very strong Team, and the athletes are friends one with the other. I think we can see something great from their collaboration, probably already in Monaco on 21st July.
I didn't see the 5 and 10 times but the 8 and 15 in Nairobi, altitude 5889, a little below Colorado Springs, would be adjusted by the NCAA down by .65 and 5.8 seconds or so:
Of course, Kwemoi could not run 3:24. 800s are often said to be about equivalent at sea level and altitude. However, this performance is the first indication I have seen that Kwemoi and Cheruiyot are in shape to run 3:26-27 this season. I hope theyy are going after it in Monaco. Kenyans born and raised at altitude don't often run all that much faster at sea level, but these performances are pretty special. Did they have de facto pacers?
An advantage of Korir going pro is that Brazier keeps his NCAA 800m record.
Soget's already better than any Ingebrigtsen has ever been, but form 3? That puts him as 17 at least, but I had a form 4 who was 32, so that doesn't mean he is only 17. To hit 3:32 with no IAAF results page, meaning nothing last year, means that he is older. Jakob Ingebrigtsen we have results for going back years and a record of his age. Soget will probably peak this year or within the next couple years. He had to be this good to get noticed at all.
Hey, you should ask the Brojo's for a fee, this has been the most informative thread on this website for weeks.
Renato Canova wrote:
We are back in Iten. The competition of 1500m was amazing, but I want to thank Asbel for what he did. It's not common that a current World Champion (and World Champion in the last 3 editions), knowing his shape at the moment is not very good, put himself at the service of the other athletes, pacing in perfect way the first 800m.
The athletes spoke before the race, asking for a fast pace, and Asbel was immediately at their disposal for launching the race in the right way.
This means the will to look at the Country before looking at himself, and is something that must be evidenced.
Coming to the race, these are the split of Ronald (who was always in 5th - 6th position for the first 800m, and was 4th at 1200m) : 55"5 - 1'52"7 (57"2) - 2'49"6 (56"9) with final 300m in 41"3.
The final is not very fast, but, after overtaking Soget, he remained in second lane in the final turn, also if could already go in front, waiting the last furlong because confident in his final sprint (I have 12"4 for the last 100m).
Timothy Cheruiyot is very aggressive, and continues to grow. Manangoi seems a little bit tired, and this is normal after running 3 times 800m during National Championships, and a 1500m in Oslo, with several trips that disturbed his preparation (the same was for Ronald after Eugene, and for that reason I decided to postpone to next year the idea of 5000m).
This is a very strong Team, and the athletes are friends one with the other. I think we can see something great from their collaboration, probably already in Monaco on 21st July.
If somebody like Cheruiyot or really even Kiprop sacrificed themselves in the 1500m final for 1000-11000m, the Kenyans could easily put the other 3 in the top 5 and likely 2 in the top 3. If they really always wanted to employ team tactics like this -- they would -- and they would always put 2 in the top 3 or 4, but instead they all want to win individually, so we see it happen rarely -- the 2015 WC being an outlier as Kiprop and Manang'oi were 1-2.
xcvxvxcvx wrote:
Soget's already better than any Ingebrigtsen has ever been, but form 3? That puts him as 17 at least, but I had a form 4 who was 32, so that doesn't mean he is only 17. To hit 3:32 with no IAAF results page, meaning nothing last year, means that he is older. Jakob Ingebrigtsen we have results for going back years and a record of his age. Soget will probably peak this year or within the next couple years. He had to be this good to get noticed at all.
A fourth former at 32? That means he started high school at 28. I hope you're not claiming that's typical in Kenya.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Hey, you should ask the Brojo's for a fee, this has been the most informative thread on this website for weeks.
I know, right? I'm so over my current job and I've heard writing on this site technically makes you a journalist, allegedly. 😂
Justus Soget isn't the only one to watch for the future. Any of these kids from the Rift Valley secondary schools games could go on to greatness ... unless the NCAA or US Army scoop them up 😜
xcvxvxcvx wrote:I didn't see the 5 and 10 times but the 8 and 15 in Nairobi, altitude 5889, a little below Colorado Springs, would be adjusted by the NCAA down by .65 and 5.8 seconds or so:
Of course, Kwemoi could not run 3:24. 800s are often said to be about equivalent at sea level and altitude. However, this performance is the first indication I have seen that Kwemoi and Cheruiyot are in shape to run 3:26-27 this season
the ncaa app is of course gold standard but it appears to only assess hypoxia on metabolism & doesn't appear to me to incorporate reduced wind resistance/gravity
to do this, modify the ncaa app times with wind altitude calculator :
http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/index.htmldownload ncaa app from here :
http://trackboundusa.co.uk/2014/12/29/altitude-conversion-calculator/lets convert these wins
- 1'43.86 at nairobi at 1661m ( 5450' )
nearest venue just below this on app is denver at 5276' -> 1'43.21
then adjust with 2nd calculator which is converting 1'43.86 to 100m = 12.983s & input into it with 0 wind & 1661m -> 13.05
-> final corrected time is 1'43.21 * ( 13.05/12.983 ) =
1'43.74
which means nairobi is slower than sea-level for 800m by about 1/10 s which no one woud notice
it is much different situation if you do the calculation for mexico at ~ 7400'
- 3'30.89 using denver as proxy -> 3'25.84
then adjust with 2nd calculator which is converting 3'30.89 to 100m = 14.06s & input into it with 0 wind & 1661m -> 14.133
-> final corrected time is 3'25.84 * ( 14.133/14.06 ) =
3'26.90
as denver is lower than nairobi, then that works at at about 3'26.6/3'26.7 if nairobi was in app
that was with pacing to only 700m according to canova & wouda been ~ 3'26-flat with drafting to bell
not bad going considering prelim in their legs
in a serious paced run at sea-level Ronnie can definitely dip into 3'25s & Timmy just behind
this just "confirms" what i have been saying for recent weeks : Ronnie & now Timmy are both in shape to break 1500wr
Kenyans born and raised at altitude don't often run all that much faster at sea level
i suggest you look at the all-time lists
Asbel/Silas have run plenty of times in nairobi & best they have run is 3'32.2/3'31.3 & have gone 3'26/3'27 at sea-level
that "not much faster at sea-level" ???
Renato Canova wrote:
We are back in Iten. The competition of 1500m was amazing,
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I think we can see something great from their collaboration, probably already in Monaco on 21st July
Renato
i have been saying for weeks Ronnie is in 1500 WR shape after that superb mile in eugene with 12.2 kick + 7'28 in burtal heat with again fantastic kick & i added Timmy to that after his astonishing 3'30.77 with ~ 13m extra on bends & lack of drafting/uneven pace
do you believe 1 or other or both are in 1500WR shape ?
( as a side-note, morally you shoud already have been coach to a 1500WR holder
Silas in his 3'27.64 was clipped on 1st lap losing few meters in distance/momentum & had execrable 800 split of ~ 1'52-low !!!
https://youtu.be/qc2GSBUZEMk?t=234if he'd run that race aggressively from gun & followed pacer in 1'50+ & no stumble, he wouda been looking at
~ 3'25-high
so really, if not for Silas running like a wimp to the bell that day, you shoud already have coached a guy to 1500wr...)
Kamwo's 27'35 works out at ~ 26'46 at sea-level
he did run 27'11 !!! there for win in '15 which works out at 26'22 !!!
that may explain why they didn't break mo in peking ( apart from jogging 1st km )
they had run too hard in trials & hadn't recovered enough by peking
26'22 equivalent in nairobi in likely hot/humid weather wouda been probably below 26'10 on temperate day in brussels
to run another quality 10k so soon after was likely impossible...
whatsupp wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Kenya-names-team-for-world-Championships/1100-3985648-of8hqdz/index.htmlRotich got the nod over Saruni
Wait, are they really only sending 2 guys in the 5K and 2 women in the 1500m? Since the original third place guy was DQ'ed, Josphat (Kiprono) Menjo moves up to third and he already has the standard, a 13:21 from May (he even ran 13:21 again in Spain, only 9 days before the trials). Why would they not send him then?
I know it was ages ago, but this is the dude who solo'ed a 26:56 and 12:55 in Finland (back in 2010 I think) !!
AK waits to see if the 3rd in 5000m men can achieve the limit in Europe (the deadline is 23rd July), and about Sheila Chepkirui, third in 5000m women, also if without limit can be qualified because African Champion.
The problem is that, for running a WR, athletes need to be able to run alone.
This isn't still a quality of Ronald, who is a winner more than a record hunter.
I agree with you that Ronald can be in a shape valid for 3'26" (also if he's not still at his peak, in my opinion), but everything depends on the pacers.
Personally, I hope in pacers who can run the first km in 2'18" (55" + 55" + 28"), and after this in a tough attack from all the Kenyans for arriving at 1200m around 2'46", but honestly I think this difficult.
The most aggressive is Timothy, who doesn't fear to attack far from the finish line. The one with more personality and experience is obviously Asbel, but it's practically not possible he can be able running at the level of 3'27" with only 3 weeks of training after Trials. Manangoi has big talent, but in the last period his shape was going down a little.
In the period of El Guerrouj, there were rabbits able to arrive in 2'45" at 1200m (for example, Vincent Malakwen), and there was a big pay for them. Now, the situations is very much different, and a WR today is very much more difficult to achieve. If this happens, the intrinsic value of a new WR in the events of middle distances is higher than in the past, for the reasons I explained above.