So if he finishes in a place that he qualifies. Is someone going to file a protest?
So if he finishes in a place that he qualifies. Is someone going to file a protest?
I ran at three NCAA regionals (in the east prelims) and every single year during both the men and women's 10ks, they handed out water. Also the timing mats are used just for the 10ks to keep track of laps since 48 runners are alot to keep track of, especially once people start getting lapped.
NO BIB NO RACE
Even little children, e.g., 7 years old, at USATF Association J.O. Track & Field Championships must wear a bib to participate. Their coaches give out the bibs to their athletes when they arrive to the track meet. Coaches and parents then pin on the bib on the front of their singlets.
I was near the starting line when it happened. They were all lined up and then the official came over to him and said wheres your jersey? The kid said I don't have it. The official said do you at least have your bib number? The kid said no. Then another official reminded him that he did have to have his jersey because of the new uniform rule. So they told him that he could not run. Then the michigan st assistant saw him standing behind everyone as they lined up and yelled over and aksed what was going on. he yelled back choking back tears that he forgot his jersey. The michigan st assistant then told him to get on the start line anyway. the official came over and told him no one again. then the mich st assistant ran to get the head coach. the head coach didn't make it iover until the gun had fired and the kid is standing there still at the start line. Then the head coach started chewing the official out. said something like you should have just let the kid run and then the timing system and head referree could sort out what they wanted to do later. the official responded calmly that the athlete was breaking two rules and that if he ran that not only he could be disqualified, but other mich st atheltes since their team didn't wear the same uniform that day. the mich st head coach lost his cool and called the official some things and stormed off. I thought the official handed the sit very well
Responsible for your actions wrote:
Can you think of any places where it might be reasonable to have a policy like that?
Now can you think of any places like that which might also be associated with an institution of higher education?
Police Academy!
He shouldn't be allowed to run final.
??!! wrote:
Just a sign of the times - punish the ones that do it right in favor of the poor little kid that messed up. Really sad.
You nailed it right there. This is modern America, instead of having and enforcing standards we dumb-down everything to benefit the most incompetent among us. A kid that can't remember his jersey or number benefits from it at the expense of 24 other responsible athletes is just a joke. They better not let this kid run the finals.
rojo wrote:
bibless wrote:Everyone should show up without a bib today, since the the policy is apparently to automatically advance anyone who does so.
Great post.
We really need a vote option on posts.
I agree. Since the majority of the visitors to this site are 14-year-old girls, a "like" button would be very appropriate.
I believe Uniform issues are a clerking issue not an official on the track ruling. If the clerks let him through, I do not believe he can be disqualified...
If you do something as stupid as forgetting your bib and/or singlet, tell your coach as soon as you realize this. If it is just a minute or two before the race, you are pretty much effed. This stuff happens.
FYI to unprepared coaches and athletes: you also get no result if you show up to the wrong track on meet day.
In this case, if he got through check-in then the clerks wrongly let him through, but the officials preventing him from racing was not in there jurisdiction for this "violation"
aw wrote:
I was at the meet, actually right over at the starting line, he really tried to get in and just run w/o the bib, and they were about to let him, but at the last minute they called it off, the kid was devastated.
The kid has shit for brains. Entirely his fault.
His bib was stolen. Should he be penalized for someone else's crime? The race officials have admittedly messed up by not allowing him to run without his bib. This is what happens when you have people in charge that don't think outside the box.
Wejo-- Does this change your opinion?
rojo wrote:
trollism wrote:I'm with this guy.
It's hardly a complicated rule. His coach/manager/agent/doctor should have done it for him (along with his shoelaces) like every other Kenyan athlete.
Let's see here.
1) I don't think it would be hard for the official to take 30 seconds and use common sense. "Hey guys, anyone recognize this guy? He says he's from Michigan State and supposed to be racing." I think everyone would vouch for him.
2) He's been living over her for a long while (went to HS here) so he may be an American citizen. It wouldn't shock me if someone told me he was born here.
3) It's a real shame as I know some people were picking him as high as third for NCAAs. In high school as a freshman, he ran 2:40 for 800.
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/6029238541831691626/from-scrawny-kids-to-the-big-ten-how-four-east-kentwood-track-standouts-transformed-into-division-1-athletes/
And why does it matter who recognizes him?
If he hasn't got the kit, he's got to sit.
He wouldn't be the first, nor the last to make a schoolboy mistake
no. how could it have been stolen? He should have been wearing his jersey. you can't change at the track, so he must have thought he had his jersey on underneath his long sleeve but he didn't.
if it was stolen earlier in the day he would have had time to get a new bib number.
think of it this way, in the adult, real world:
-you sign up for a road marathon.
-you train really hard for 10-12-18 weeks
-you get to start line on race day and realize you don't have your bib/timing chip....
-Chances are, if this happens to you, there's not enough time to get to a meet organizer and be issued a replacement chip. This means you will have no official time for the race you worked your *ss off preparing for possibly 3-4 months won't be officially recorded. it's your fault
same as getting to the race late.
In a race, your bib and uniform is pretty much the only important thing you MUST have to compete. it's simple. check to make sure you have your bib when you leave your dorm/apartment/house. check on the bus/in the car. check when you get to the meet. check before you warm up/check at the start line. be paranoid, it's important.
mistakes happen, but you need to be sure you have the one thing you really need.
you need your passport to travel to foreign countries. no exceptions. this is the exact same concept.
Agree with Rojo on this one. If everyone knows who the guy is you need to let him race. In cycling if you start without your bib number on you get a fine of about $25-100 depending on the race you're at. Seems fair enough to me.
This whole situation sounds like it was botched.
1) They should have let him run, then sorted it out later. How many times do you hear of athletes getting DQ'd after the race for wear jewelry (if not allowed) or a relay team getting DQ'd due to not having matching uniforms? Same concept. If the officials come back and say it was a rules violation after the run, then so be it.
2) It is the athlete's responsibility to be prepared for the race. Not the coaches or officials, the athletes. They should at a minimum have everything they need to race (jersey, bib/number(s), and spikes). It is not that hard. Hell, this is a race to get into nationals.....be prepared for christ sakes. If they screw this up, it is on them. Not the 'unfair' official doing his job.
3) He should not have just been advanced to the next round. This is then showing preferential treatment. Either DQ him for not following basic rules (that they should know by now) or have him run a 1500 by himself and have to qualify on time.
4) His coaches appear to feel they are entitled too based on how they reacted to the officials. They should be directing that anger to the athlete or themselves for not drilling in this common knowledge into this knucklehead. But, that would be accepting personal responsibility.
NCAA Ruless wrote:
In this case, if he got through check-in then the clerks wrongly let him through, but the officials preventing him from racing was not in there jurisdiction for this "violation"
I have never had a clerk check my bib at check-in.
You go up to the clerk, say your name and they check you off.
I'll admit that I've also never seen a runner show up at the line without their bib.
But I would think that any officials at the line would be the exact ones to verify bibs.
But this was also a case of a uniform violation that put his teammates in jeopardy for their races.
It was the long sleeve shirt that drew attention to him.
False Starter wrote:
This whole situation sounds like it was botched.
1) They should have let him run, then sorted it out later. How many times do you hear of athletes getting DQ'd after the race for wear jewelry (if not allowed) or a relay team getting DQ'd due to not having matching uniforms? Same concept. If the officials come back and say it was a rules violation after the run, then so be it.
If the officials know he is going to be DQed then he shouldn't be allowed to race. Say he gets in the way of someone else trying to make a move and that person doesn't qualify. That's not fair given that we knew he was gonna be DQed all along and shouldn't have been in the race in the first place.