Unofficial 2016 NESCAC Indoor T&F Thread

That meet was a complete toss up between Tufts and Williams until after the 5k. Also, let's not forget the battle for third between Bates, Middlebury, and Bowdoin. Hats off to Bowdoin for grabbing top-3 on their home track.

This was an exciting 'CAC's from start to finish. Well done guys.

Credit Where Due wrote:

That meet was a complete toss up between Tufts and Williams until after the 5k. Also, let's not forget the battle for third between Bates, Middlebury, and Bowdoin. Hats off to Bowdoin for grabbing top-3 on their home track.

This was an exciting 'CAC's from start to finish. Well done guys.

Williams may have won but they are still all scrubs.

It wasn't a false start or a lane violation, he actually won the whole damn thing and they dinged him for taking his jersey off right after the race

I don't think he deserved to be DQ'd, kid looks like he is constantly flexing just by accident. Joel Williams was pissed. it cost them the whole meet

flex violation wrote:

It wasn't a false start or a lane violation, he actually won the whole damn thing and they dinged him for taking his jersey off right after the race

I don't think he deserved to be DQ'd, kid looks like he is constantly flexing just by accident. Joel Williams was pissed. it cost them the whole meet

That seems like a harsh call for the judges to make.

Still though, as frustrating as the 200 was, I don't think it was the single deciding factor that swung the meet in Williams' favor. If I recall correctly, even despite the 200 going poorly for Tufts, both teams were basically tied going into the 5k. Tufts needed to outscore Williams in the 5k, triple jump, and 4x4 in order to avoid sliding too far back in the 4x8. Focusing on how poorly the 200m went for Tufts kind of overshadows the fact that it was a toss up until the final one or two events of the day.

That poster was definitely lying.

Heading into the 5k, it seemed like Tufts had it in the bag. It was somewhat surprising to see Williams gain in that event, considering Tufts had O'Connor and Nichols and Williams just had Hale. I guess a moderate 10k and a FAST steeple take more out of you than a fast 1500.

I don't know what Nichols was thinking in that 10k. He stuck with the lead pack through 5k (probably going like 15:40 pace), and then took off and dropped the field without even a contest with what I'd estimate was a 15:00 for the second 5k. Definitely could have conserved some more energy in that event.

I thought going into the final 4 events it was a 1 point meet in Williams' favor with 2 Ephs and 2 Jumbos each in the TJ finals 3 each in the 5k plus a 4x4 and 4x8 for both. So yeah that seems like it was it was in the bag.

Now the real question is how did Bowdoin beat Midd?

I understand that Tim wanted to gain seperation to avoid having the 10k come down to a kick, but surging in the middle of the race was probably not the best strategy given his tough 10k/5k double. Luke's 8:58 steeple basically took him out of the running for the 5k too. Both those guys had objectively harder doubles that Hale's 1500/5k.

The 5k also went out incredibly slow. Hale jumped to the front and kept the pace pedestrian, which basically forced Luke to actually start the race 1200 meters or so in. It was obvious Hale wanted the race to come down to a kick, which it did.

Not All Doubles are Equal wrote:

I understand that Tim wanted to gain seperation to avoid having the 10k come down to a kick, but surging in the middle of the race was probably not the best strategy given his tough 10k/5k double. Luke's 8:58 steeple basically took him out of the running for the 5k too. Both those guys had objectively harder doubles that Hale's 1500/5k.

The 5k also went out incredibly slow. Hale jumped to the front and kept the pace pedestrian, which basically forced Luke to actually start the race 1200 meters or so in. It was obvious Hale wanted the race to come down to a kick, which it did.

I could not agree more.

Everyone knows that the 1500-meters is not even a real event. If you score only the real events of the meet, the 10k and the 5k, and score the events based on the performance sheets, Tufts wins 26 to 21, so it is safe to say that Tufts should have won NESCAC’s, case closed and done deal. The only reason the Jumbos lost was because for some reason they ended up scoring events that are not even real events, like the 200 and the 1500, as well as the disgraceful & biased officiating and also pure luck.

This is a dumb comment and completely misses the point of what the above poster was talking about. You should feel bad for posting this.

I totally agree with your opinions about what events are real and not real. 5k and 10k are the only events that matter. Unfortunately, you gotta score based on actual performance. And Tufts got 10 in the 10k, Williams got 12. Tufts got 13 in the 5k, and Williams somehow got 16 even though Hale is the only non-scrub.

The real score of the meet was 28-23, in Williams' favor. At least Williams won't win NESCAC in the fall without Williams or Hale.

The depth of the Williams distance squad was a big factor in the victory as they were able to offset Nichols in the 10k and O'Connor in the steeple. In the 10k Williams took 3,4,8 (8th guy not listed on the online roster?) scoring 12 points and in the steeple they took 4,5,7 scoring 11 points. In the 5k with Hale and Anderson, who almost outkicked Nichols, Williams outscored Tufts 16-13. The 1500 was a dominating performance by Hale and Folsom picking up 18 points compared to the 3 for Tufts.

It seems like the outdoor championship format plays more to Williams's strengths than the indoor format as there are more distance events and throwing events, and less mid-d events. Also not having a decathlon at NESCAC's allowed Muellers and Riley to each compete and score in multiple events.

Close meet that Tufts should have won, but almost all the Willy boys had great performances as opposed to many of the Jumbo lads who struggled.

As Hale demonstrated this weekend, the key to defeating Nichols is lap counting. This is difficult in longer races, as the runner will run out of fingers to keep track of his or her distance, resulting in an early kick. The best way to avoid this is to train to count without one's fingers. This can take hours of practice to master, but if done correctly it can shift the odds in your favor.

Nichols has unbelievable range, taking home wins in both the 10k and the 400m, but his Achilles heal is in middle distance. Hale was able to perfectly time a two-lap kick to hold off Nichols' closing speed. Brilliantly done Mr. Hale.

Ignore this comment. Hale cannot be a non-scrub because all Willy Boys are scrubs.

Let's go Genny Boys.

Thank You.

Soft Pancakes wrote:

As Hale demonstrated this weekend, the key to defeating Nichols is lap counting. This is difficult in longer races, as the runner will run out of fingers to keep track of his or her distance, resulting in an early kick. The best way to avoid this is to train to count without one's fingers. This can take hours of practice to master, but if done correctly it can shift the odds in your favor.

Nichols has unbelievable range, taking home wins in both the 10k and the 400m, but his Achilles heal is in middle distance. Hale was able to perfectly time a two-lap kick to hold off Nichols' closing speed. Brilliantly done Mr. Hale.

This is false and you should feel bad for posting this.

Timmy Tickles won Indoor Nationals because he could count and the Midwesterners could not. Ignore this troll. Tim's counting abilities are unbelievable.

Precisely the point, the midwesterners were unpracticed in the art, and thus unable to defeat Tom.

So what you're saying is Tickles timed his kick perfectly because his mastery of lap counting is bar none, but Hale kicked too early because he was keeping track of the laps on his fingers, reached ten, freaked out because he had no fingers left, and decided just to kick it in? Or are you saying that although Tim's mastery of the art of lap counting is impressive, Hale's is even better? I only ask because I wish to follow the path myself.

I think that Beph brings up a good point here. Where would the Genny Boys place in the NESCAC? IGC (I IGsee you, pls find me) would sit on Hale's face in the 1500 and then let loose a NICE STEAMY DUMP. Then would come back to win the 5k solely by doing 400m pickups post 1500 after snacking on Hale's string cheese shins.

The rest of the Genny Boys would obviously beat the Willy $CRUB$ because they are SCRUBS (end of story). As for the Jumbo Lads, Tickles and Skywalker would put up a good fight against the Cream of the Genny crop, but I think we know who would go home DEVASTATED in the end.

TBT Purple Valley Classic.

Cookies n Milf wrote:

I think that Beph brings up a good point here. Where would the Genny Boys place in the NESCAC? IGC (I IGsee you, pls find me) would sit on Hale's face in the 1500 and then let loose a NICE STEAMY DUMP. Then would come back to win the 5k solely by doing 400m pickups post 1500 after snacking on Hale's string cheese shins.

The rest of the Genny Boys would obviously beat the Willy $CRUB$ because they are SCRUBS (end of story). As for the Jumbo Lads, Tickles and Skywalker would put up a good fight against the Cream of the Genny crop, but I think we know who would go home DEVASTATED in the end.

TBT Purple Valley Classic.

No question ICG would LET IT RIP all over Hale's face. That would make me so HOT and FLUSTERED. ICG is my muse and flame, you know.