Who is the Dartmouth GOAT? Ben True?

Shorter didn't go to Dartmouth. Try to keep up.

Earth to nimrod wrote:

Shorter didn't go to Dartmouth. Try to keep up.

Idiot! The Shorter talk is an Ivy GOAT tangent from the Dartmouth GOAT main topic.

Idiot! This thread is about Dartmouth, not all Ivys.

Earth to nimrod wrote:

Shorter didn't go to Dartmouth. Try to keep up.

+1

Ben True is the GOAT of Dartmouth.

Nelson is the Dartmouth GOAT.

Ashworth

Start your own thread about the Dartmouth Shot Put GOAT if you want to talk about Nelson.

Again, this discussion is for actual damn running.

frank drebin wrote:

Start your own thread about the Dartmouth Shot Put GOAT if you want to talk about Nelson.

Again, this discussion is for actual damn running.

Sorry, I was just responding to the thread title. Maybe you should make one about running. This one is more general.

Well this is Letsrun. We only discuss running.

frank drebin wrote:

Well this is Letsrun. We only discuss running.

Haha. Valid point. I can clearly see that by the most popular threads on the front page.

Fou2 wrote:

Tom McArdle

I miss that guy's blog. Wonder what he's up to these days?

and

Bisonman wrote:

I heard Tom owned a couple jiffy lubes in North Dakota. Last time I saw him he was almost 250 lbs.

The latest update is he assaulted a customer who make a snide comment about his weight. He should be up for parole in 3-6 months.

Just kidding.

This is how small the runing world is. Tom moved to Ithaca and went to Cornell law school there. He's the one that gets credit for introducing me to my wife (also a Cornell law school alum). Tom's dad also gave me a free MRI back in the day. And all we did was let him use our cell phone after he ran Mt. Sac in 2000 or 2001. We definitely owe them mcCardles.

Tom's now working in Europe.

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

Adam Nelson had a pretty good track career. He is the only Dartmouth athlete that I could think of, so maybe there are better ones.

The Dartmouth goat is Adam Nelson - end of story.

To say anyone else is a joke.

The Kempaiinen vs. True debate is interesting. I mean the times of this era are way faster but I don't think you can just say "True" without thinking about it like so many people have.

USATF wrote:

"A 30:14 for 10,000m as a frosh showed Kempainen's potential. The next year, he made the NCAA final in the 5,000m. By the time of his senior year in 1988, he ran 28:42.51, placed third in the NCAA's and made it to the Olympic Trials."

But that's not everything. I'd like to see a list of Heps titles won. In terms of Heps xc titles, True was way better. 3 in xc to Kemp's 0 (not sure about track titles) but that doens't mean True had the better xc career.

Kempainen was the best NCAA xc runner in league history even though he never won a heps. He went to NCAAs three times and finished in the top 15 three times.

Bob Kempainen, Dartmouth [1985 (14), 1986 (4), 1987 (11)]

True never cracked the top 30.

Ben True, Dartmouth [2005 (32), 2006 (59), 2008 (53)

]

Here are the NCAA All-American honors.

Kempainen - 6

True - 1.

Kempainen also led dartmouth to a 2nd place showing in the team standings.

Kempainen also is a 2-time Olympian and a US champ in XC and the marathon (won the 1996 trials was showing up).. True has zero Olympic appearances and zero US titles. Kempainen also was a 2nd at the New york city marathon in 1993.

Now True has won a DL 5000 and was 6th at 5k at Worlds and in World xc.

If True make an Olympic team, then I think you can say true. But given how much emphasis is put on the Olympics, I am not sure you can now say that.

Kempainen had the better college career and has been to two Olympics.

rojo wrote:

But that's not everything. I'd like to see a list of Heps titles won.

From my research at Hepstrack.com, Kampainen has only won 1 Heps title across any season - the 1986 indoor 5km title. True has a total of 6 (3 in XC, 3 in oHeps), while Sapienza won across all three seasons for a total of 11 titles (3 XC, 5 iHeps, 3 oHeps). A fourth name should be included - Donald Burnham - who won 2 XC titles and 5 oHeps titles (no indoor season until 1948, and Burnham graduated in 1944). See breakdown below.

Kempainen:

1986 - indoor 5km

True:

2006 - 1500m

2007 - 1500m, 5000m

3x XC champ - 2005, 2006, 2008 - led to team title in 2005

Sapienza:

1983 - 5km, indoor 3km, DMR

1984 - 10km, indoor 3km

1985 - 10km, indoor 3km, indoor 5km

3x XC champ - 1982, 1983, 1984 - led to 1984 team title

Other names to consider:

Donald Burnham, Dartmouth (1942-44) - won 5 Outdoor Heps titles (most of any Dartmouth man in their career) - no indoor meet yet - two XC titles

1942 - mile

1943 - 880yd, mile

1944 - 880yd, mile

2x XC champ - 1941, 1943 - led to team titles

Chalmers??

I know the Heps is a big thing to you Ivy-Leagers, but the Heps are the "Fetus Nationals."

Kempainen blows everyone away at the Big Boy Nationals. 6x All America, 3x top 15 NCAA Cross. Twice National Champion. American Record Holder. Twice Olympian.

True's recent run puts him in the hunt, but not there yet.

If the criterion is what people did while running for Dartmouth, then Abbey D'Agostino is the GOAT.

grrl power wrote:

If the criterion is what people did while running for Dartmouth, then Abbey D'Agostino is the GOAT.

It's not, try to keep up.

True just PRed at the 1500 in Boston, 3:36.05

Increased range strengthening his case as the Dartmouth GOAT. 🐐