Dr Phil wrote:
so which is colder, the North Pole or the South Pole?
Gotta be the South P. From all accounts I've heard and read, it's by far the most inhospitable place on Earth. My friend that worked there sent back some pics of the general area...stunning, surreal stuff.
Ian's Run.
Ian was a Candian triathlete back in the early 80s. He went for a long run out on a windy -20C day. Underdressed and very cold when he returned home he jumped into a hot shower. He then experienced very intense pain, which is common for frostbite when put in hot water. He returned from the hospital a few days later with one less testicle. NO, this is not BS. I ran with him for many years after. I also took his advice seriously on cold weather running.
Hey numb nuts!
They have special underwear for days like that. No need for castration!
Run Crescent City in N.O or try Peachtree in the ATL for a real adventure in heat. July 4 in Atlanta is always hot and sticky.
Yes, read from Sir Robert Scott's diary if you can find something online. Poor, miserable, doomed, heroic bastard. The whole lot of them. The combination of misery, stoicism, and unselfishness will bring tears to you eyes. some good lessons in there for endurance athletes.
If the tissue is dead they often have to remove it. Imersing frostbitten tissue into hot water can cause much cell and tissue death. Toes and finger tips are often removed. I am sure a testicle could be removed.
I don't think there is any question that it's all relative. But quitting because it is 30 Farh. is out of the question for those from the North.
Comparing running in bitter cold (which I would rate as anything under 0 deg F.) and in extreme heat (which I would rate at above 95 deg F.) is kind of meaningless. I believe it takes more toughness to run your "normal" routine in extreme heat. However, I am from Michigan. I feel it is harder because Winter is colder no matter how cold it is right now so you are generally more used to it. Also, with the right clothing (and NO COTTON on you) you can cope with -10 deg to 0 deg just fine, it really isn't a too big a deal. There is no way to cope with 100-110 deg heat, you are going to slow down no matter how you slice it.
one difference is that with extreme cold if you start to have a bad day or have to go to the bathroom or you just blow up during a long run or something, you better be able to keep jogging or take shelter, since if you are stuck outside and it is -30 or worse (even if it is wind chill) you could die. When it is hot out, if you start to struggle (not with heat exhaustion, just having a bad day) you won't die, you just need to stop and walk. You aren't gonna die from exposure.
I have done long runs in rural Michigan and rural Wisconsin and if the cold was really severe, I did 2 x 8 mile loops so I could stay on courses that had a house every half mile or so. The other courses had long, open stretches with no wind break and a house every mile or so, but you never knew whether someone was home or not.
I did this when I was young and stupid and didn't have adequate face protection. Now I have a ton of winter clothing.
It was -30 WC today. God I hate Vermont.
Michigander wrote:
I don't think there is any question that it's all relative. But quitting because it is 30 Farh. is out of the question for those from the North.
Comparing running in bitter cold (which I would rate as anything under 0 deg F.) and in extreme heat (which I would rate at above 95 deg F.) is kind of meaningless. I believe it takes more toughness to run your "normal" routine in extreme heat. However, I am from Michigan. I feel it is harder because Winter is colder no matter how cold it is right now so you are generally more used to it. Also, with the right clothing (and NO COTTON on you) you can cope with -10 deg to 0 deg just fine, it really isn't a too big a deal. There is no way to cope with 100-110 deg heat, you are going to slow down no matter how you slice it.
This was the point of the original poster. He is in Southern Mississippi, where 30 feels very cold. No one has said anything about runners from the North quitting when it's 30 degrees. Of course it's not a big deal to you. You're in Michigan. He's in SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI!
Just for the record, on 1/20/85 it was -27F in Chicago with a 36 MPH wind. That adds up to -93 WCF. It gets worse other places I'm sure, but Chicago gets that cold and often over 100F in the summer.
If you don't like the weather in Chicago, wait a few minutes.
Yeah, I grew up in Chicago and waited for school buses in damn nasty weather with those nasty moon boots on and still froze my feet. But then I went to school at UW-Madison for 7 years. Go Figure. I have become sane and now live in Austin, Tx.
Ultra Gal wrote:
Yeah, I grew up in Chicago and waited for school buses in damn nasty weather with those nasty moon boots on and still froze my feet. But then I went to school at UW-Madison for 7 years. Go Figure. I have become sane and now live in Austin, Tx.
Ultra Gal,
Austin? I stayed at the Radison one year for the marathon. The Convention Center was across the street maybe 1/4 mile away. 6th street was across Long Lake to the North? There was a family type resturant (meatloaf type of place) about a block to the South? If I have my bearings right, what is the name of that resturant?
Please?
How long ago did you move away from Chi town?