6 x 800m with two minutes rest at 1500m pace?

crete wrote:

Fygugu wrote:

Dibaba can do that workout because she can run 1600 in 4:00 not 1500.

Dibaba can run a 4:00 1600? Wow - that's news to me. Why is her PR only 3:50 for the 1500? A 3:50 1500 converts to 4:07 1600. A 4:00 1600 converts to a 3:43 1500. So you're saying she can drop 7 seconds from the WR? I wonder why she decided to just jog that 3:50 then ...

Yup, good luck getting him to understand it though. I have tried, Old Miler Dude tried, etc. I personally give up. I beg him to read the first page of the thread again and realize he made a d bag comment and of course people are going to jump all over it. She can't do four in 1600m or she would have. END OF DISCUSSION. But, I know it won't end. He is going to keep saying we don't know how to read or that we are too stupid to get his points. This guy has got to be a politician.

Fygugu wrote:

crete wrote:

Dibaba can run a 4:00 1600? Wow - that's news to me. Why is her PR only 3:50 for the 1500? A 3:50 1500 converts to 4:07 1600. A 4:00 1600 converts to a 3:43 1500. So you're saying she can drop 7 seconds from the WR? I wonder why she decided to just jog that 3:50 then ...

Her PR is only 3:50 because she didn't pace herself. This is not an uncommon thing. Runners don't always pace themselves well. If you think she was jogging a 3:50 then something is wrong with your understanding of running.

OMG. Even using your retard logic, that makes no sense. Number one, I think she knows how to run the 1500m a bit better than you or I. Number two, I think she ran the way she always runs which seems to be working considering her WR and constant presence in all big female races in the 1500m, and lastly that time was from a couple years ago, do you think no one else noticed (like her coaches who know way more than you) that she was close to the 1600m or mile WR and tried to get her to pace herself or train better to try and go after it considering she holds the 1500m record and does some beast workouts? I am sure they tried and I am sure she can't and that is why she didn't. But like I previously stated, I will send her your info so you can pace her and get her at 4 for the 1600m since it is such an easy thing. I mean that isn't even close to the world record. She would shatter it with a 4 minute so again, no I don't think she ever had the capability to run that fast for that long or else she would have. She doesn't need some d bag from lets run teaching her how to pace herself or thinking he can project her times because she once did a grueling workout of 800m's that if two of them were combined she would get it. Doing things with two minutes of a break and doing them straight are pretty different, hence my last post explaining that fact to you. But I do have a life and need to get back to it. I need to teach kids in person, not kids on lets run.

"Just because she can do 800m super fast and super quick" - could you please point out the difference between fast and quick? If not, then it's a pretty good indicator that you can't write, on top of being unable to read.

"Two minutes is still two minutes and is much different than running 1600 straight" - actually, the straights on a standard 400m track are only 100m long. This means you know nothing about the standard measurements of a track, and therefore lack such basic knowledge of athletics that you really are not qualified to take part in this discussion, or coach your athletes. Alternatively, it's yet more evidence of your rather incredible inability to write. Which is it?

"He can brutalize himself with shorter repeats and take literally no break between them, but can't put them together." Oh my - your staggering stupidity is even more breathtaking than I thought. Either you don't know the meaning of "literally", or you can't understand that if he takes "literally no rest between repeats", then by definition he has "put them together". Your grasp of reality, or your grasp of the English language, is clearly not on the requisite level to contribute to this thread. Try harder next time.

I am forced to conclude, good sir, that you may be one of the most crazily dumb posters in the history of LRC. That, at least, is an incredible accomplishment - enjoy it, because I can't imagine the universe holds much better for you.

Good day!

Fygugu wrote:

crete wrote:

Dibaba can run a 4:00 1600? Wow - that's news to me. Why is her PR only 3:50 for the 1500? A 3:50 1500 converts to 4:07 1600. A 4:00 1600 converts to a 3:43 1500. So you're saying she can drop 7 seconds from the WR? I wonder why she decided to just jog that 3:50 then ...

Her PR is only 3:50 because she didn't pace herself. This is not an uncommon thing. Runners don't always pace themselves well. If you think she was jogging a 3:50 then something is wrong with your understanding of running.

Huh? She ran something like 60/64/60/46. How on earth could different splits dropped 7 or 8 seconds from her time? You really don't understand...

I believe he meant straight as in no two minute break between them. Did you really think he thought she would run 1600m in a straight line? If so, disregard the rest and go get some mental health help. Also, I believe he meant super fast as in around 2 minutes for the time and super quick as in the two minutes of the break. As far as the other part about literally, it is a figure of speech. He later uses 40 seconds in his example, and I can completely understand when someone states that 40 seconds is like taking "literally no break". His point, I believe, was that there are people who can do incredible workouts, but even short breaks are breaks and are not the same as taking no break. I hope I have explained all of this to you in a manner that helps you comprehend it. It does seem that you do have a little issue with following along.

I really had no trouble following his posts, while yours on the other hand.... So please just stop because the more you write, the more you are exposing yourself to ridicule.

Fun thread. For what it's worth - Dibaba could have clearly run 4:02-4:05 for 1600m in mid-July. The OP's is undoubtedly correct: if Genzebe was hypothetically running a workout based on "4:00 pace", then the goal pace would certainly be in reference to 1600m and not 1500m. End of argument.

Anyways, has this been pointed out yet: if someone is aiming to break 4:00 for 1500m, then the workout described in your title (6x8 at 15 pace) would result in 6 reps averaging 2:09.

162430 wrote:

Fun thread. For what it's worth - Dibaba could have clearly run 4:02-4:05 for 1600m in mid-July. THE OP IS UNDOUBTEDLY INCORRECT: if Genzebe was hypothetically running a workout based on "4:00 pace", then the goal pace would certainly be in reference to 1600m and not 1500m. End of argument.

Anyways, has this been pointed out yet: if someone is aiming to break 4:00 for 1500m, then the workout described in your title (6x8 at 15 pace) would result in 6 reps averaging 2:09.

Whoops. Fixed.

Thank God you are around to clear this all up! I am glad you are the authority on predicting times based on workouts. Just my two cents though, I actually agree it was always for the 1500m, hence her running the 1500m a week or so later and never ever having ran the 1600m or mile in her pro career. I think she wanted to get around her goal pace of a bit over 2 minutes in those and had a really great day and came in with a couple seconds to spare. As good as it is to run at goal pace, a couple seconds faster does not mean that she was really preparing for a longer event. I think she isn't a robot and was running hard and went a bit quicker to really cover the fact that she would be taking two minutes of a break. Like another poster said, two minutes is two minutes, so anything a bit quicker than her goal pace, would help her when she went to actually run the 1500m and didn't get a two minute break after 800m of it.

I don't know why I posted this since I know it is going to start a new debate, but I have been going back and forth reading these, and wanted to throw in my two cents before someone writes something offensive (it does seem to be going there) and the mods remove it.

I am stunned right now. You really don't get it, haha. Of course the session would have been in preparation for a 1500m race. No one is debating that.

What I am saying is that if Genzebe and her coach had some insane hypothetical workout that they both considered to be a great day, then the workout would have indicated something much closer to 4:00 for 1600m than 4:00 for 1500m speed.

This really is very obvious. Why would they be excited about a workout indicating that Genzebe could run 4+ seconds slower than her indoor PB when she was clearly in the best shape of her life?

If you are trying to replicated workouts from elites that were aiming for sub-4 1500m performances, then Genzebe circa 2015 is the wrong place to start. Try checking out Hannah England's training. Maybe look into what type of stuff that Jenny Simpson was doing a couple of years ago. Search for logs from random college men who are 4:00/15:00 types. Do NOT look at the stuff that 14:00-14:10 5k runners are doing. Hopefully this helps to clear up any confusion.

I am not mad and am trying not to be offensive. I am just truly stunned.

No, still don't agree. Based on her interview right before a 5k when she spoke about this particular workout. Honestly, I have nothing to do with this thread and could care less whatever people say. Every one has an opinion right? I do believe that based on this workout, saying she could run 4 in 1600m, which was the original argument, is wrong. I do believe she was in 4:08 shape though and often wondered why she didn't go after the mile world record since she could have gotten it. But according to her, she couldn't have so I guess that would mean end of discussion.

I appreciate your post and your opinions. Too many people are bashing each other on this thread when I believe it was just meant to spark a debate. I also believe that the op even admitted as much in a previous post and even after admitting this thread was "trollish" to use his/her words, people still kept attacking each other. I do find that kind of amusing, but sad nonetheless.

Agree to disagree. Of course you believe she was 4:08 shape, she ran the 1500m equivalent! Not much of a stretch there. 6x800m with 2 minutes rest at 2:01 is more impressive than a 3:50 1500m and certainly indicates something FAR beyond 4:00 for 1500m. My goodness, there are many 4:05 1500m runners who couldn't even run one rep at that pace!!

Hello people! I see you are discussing my workout. Well the truth is, you guys are all right. I am actually training for the mile wr and have been for years. But truth be told, I keep running the wrong event on race day. I am a woman you know and I can get flustered before big races. I even tried to keep going once, but they stopped my at the finish line and wouldn't let me run out the last little part. I am so happy everyone loves my workout, but again, I have a confession. I really didn't even do it. I was at planned parenthood getting an abortion and I decided that I needed a good cover. So I made up a crazy workout to keep people talking about that instead of the fact that I was in the middle of aborting my coach's baby. I really am a bit of a slut as well. I wish everyone well and by the way I have a new killer workout. It is 12 x 200m in 22 seconds with a thirty second rest between them. I know it may seem like a killer workout to do for the 400m, but actually it is for the 300m wr. I think I can get it though with that workout. What do you geniuses think?

Oh and by the way, I ran the two mile in 9:00, so I doubt I could run anywhere near 4 flat for the mile. Please believe me. Do you think I am an idiot. Did you think I didn't know that after the 1500m and before the 2 mile there's another event? Did you think I wouldn't have tried to hold another world record if I could? God are you dumb. Sometimes we elites post workouts we really can't do to get into our competitor's heads. I guess you superstars trolling lets run didn't know that, but us real runners do.

Thank God for your insight wrote:

I do believe she was in 4:08 shape though and often wondered why she didn't go after the mile world record since she could have gotten it. But according to her, she couldn't have so I guess that would mean end of discussion.

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Why would you guess that means end of discussion? The conversion from 1500 to mile is not 20+ seconds. Do you really think that it is???

6 x 800m with two minutes rest at 1500m pace? =

1500m Man you´re definitely retarded

I already said you guys are all right and I am wrong. I knew I could hit 4 in the 1600m but I was too stupid to attempt it. Thank God for you guys uncovering the truth. BTW, do you always switch user names every time you post or just every couple posts?

tsits wrote:

6 x 800m with two minutes rest at 1500m pace? =

1500m Man you´re definitely retarded

No I am because I ran that and actually I went even lower than that on a couple of them. So learn how to read dummy.

and sure you could run faster without moustache

No razors in my country.