Deerhound guy wrote:
Scottish Deerhound- bread to catch a deer.
If Bread works, why do you need a dog?
Deer are not that hard to run down BTW.
Deerhound guy wrote:
Scottish Deerhound- bread to catch a deer.
If Bread works, why do you need a dog?
Deer are not that hard to run down BTW.
Deerhound guy wrote:
Scottish Deerhound- bread to catch a deer.
Dear baiting is illegal.
Video Analysis wrote:
malmo wrote:Saluki. Youtube videos of hunts ij the desert.
Videos are essentially fakes.
Prey was run to exhaustion by vehicles and THEN the saluki gets released. An impressive 30 min full speed chase to bring down a superb running antelope turns out to be a total fraud with video documentation only of 2 mins of running after a near-dead animal.
Proof?
Dearhound wrote:
If Bread works, why do you need a dog?
Deer are not that hard to run down BTW.
That's true. I have done it myself. It would be child's play for any decent running dog breed.
malmo wrote:
Video Analysis wrote:Videos are essentially fakes.
Prey was run to exhaustion by vehicles and THEN the saluki gets released. An impressive 30 min full speed chase to bring down a superb running antelope turns out to be a total fraud with video documentation only of 2 mins of running after a near-dead animal.
Proof?
Yeah, proof?
The Saluki has been used to run down animals before motor vehicles were invented.
If a person can't watch that Saluki race without realizing they are looking at the greatest long distance running predator there is no helping them.
There are a fair number of Google searchers/"experts" who have woodies for Salukis. My guess is that the Saluki fanboys have only seen Salukis on Youtube, internet pics or on TV. In 2008, of the ~716,000 dogs registered with AKC there were only 280 registered Salukis in the US. In terms of number of dogs registered, Salukis beat out the likes of Swedish Valhunds, Dandie Dimont Terriers, Puliks and Lowchens - most of which no one here has ever heard of. With this in mind, Salukis may "win" theoretically, but in practice the sporting dogs mentioned previously win out.
BackyardPuppyMill wrote:
There are a fair number of Google searchers/"experts" who have woodies for Salukis. My guess is that the Saluki fanboys have only seen Salukis on Youtube, internet pics or on TV. In 2008, of the ~716,000 dogs registered with AKC there were only 280 registered Salukis in the US. In terms of number of dogs registered, Salukis beat out the likes of Swedish Valhunds, Dandie Dimont Terriers, Puliks and Lowchens - most of which no one here has ever heard of. With this in mind, Salukis may "win" theoretically, but in practice the sporting dogs mentioned previously win out.
Nope. I participated in a Saluki on European Hare hunt. They are faster and more enduring than any of the mentioned breeds. You can't even comprehend until you gallop a horse next to one.
Those other breeds are about like white guys while a Saluki is an East African.
I have a feeling that if the same question was asked about horses and excluded the quarter horse people would mention every random fast horse and claim the Thoroughbred wouldn't run the fastest 5k.
People who know nothing about speed breeding are dumb.
in this list, the Saluki (max 40, "extreme endurance") and the Dalmation (max 37 and bred for endurance) look the best distance running candidates.
Maybe so .. but Salukis would win, hands down. Sheepdogs and pointers aren't close. Dogs aren't sprinters, by the way. you guys do all know what animal they were bred from, right?
Salukis, deerhounds, wolfhounds, borzoi, etc, are all so much faster than any of these other breeds, it's crazy. It's like watching an Olympic 100m finalist run against one of the "fast kids" at your local high school.
The House Dog Derby I mentioned earlier was a hoot. One year, someone bought 3 salukis down it. They didn't chase the 'bunny' very seriously at all, but when they did move, they went by the rest of the dogs like they were standing still.
Collies, border collies, pointers, all, aren't close to a sight-hound.
As for endurance, I used to gallop my horse when I was a kid, and the 2 dogs I had loped along behind, endlessly, for miles. Anyone who thinks they can't run a fast 5k doesn't know dogs. I had a collie-x-setter, and a Bullie-x-Irish Wolfhound.
Malmo .. a person running with a dog isn't testing its speed or endurance. It's testing its patience.
Still amazed that so many people think that a dog bred for about 5000 years to do nothing but chase for long distances ranks behind a bunch of bird and sheep dogs.
Wouldn't the Saluki breeders in the Middle East just replace them with Pointers then?
Picture a Pointer in the Saluki race. It wouldn't even make the wide shot of the stragglers.
malmo .. just to be clear .. properties in the UK are pretty small. Collies aren't running endless miles .. I've been on sheep stations in Australia that are 30 miles end to end. One of the primary reasons collies are rarely used in Aussie is they don't handle the distances as well as other dogs . namely, Kelpies. They're feet are also an issue, bred for the lush green fields of quaint little UK farms rather than the hard dry rocky terrain in Oz. They're coats are another issue. But one of the primary ones is they're sprinters, not long distance athletes. You've clearly never worked with sheep dogs.
From the Border Collie Rescue site
>>>> They are bred for endurance: a working Border Collie can run as much as 100 miles a day over sometimes difficult terrain, then go out and do it again the next day. A one or two mile walk may seem like a long way to you, but it's barely a warm-up for a Border Collie.
http://bcrescuenc.org/border-collie-as-pet.htm
Also, #1 smartest dog on every single website - I challenge you to find any ranking that ranks the top 10 smartest dogs and the border collie will be #1 - I am surprised the poodle is a smart dog? What do they do? German Shepard - yes Poodle?
https://www.rover.com/blog/smartest-dog-breeds/
http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/dogs-101/videos/top-10-smartest-dogs/
Not for most people - my border collie runs 6-10 miles everyday w/ me on trails. When we get back, he is on my 15 acre horse farm and is constantly herding/chasing doing something all day - if you like watching football all day - do not get a border collie
First of all the 100 miles is BS and the second is that working livestock with bursts of speed is NOT racing or chasing down game. At all.
A border Collie cannot catch a European Hare or they would actually use them for that instead of breeding Lurchers or using other Sighthounds..
Border collies are super smart, for sure. And they're very quick, agile and great dogs. But they don't run miles on end.
Have you ever herded sheep? Or cows? If your sheep dog has to chase a sheep, or a cow, for miles, you've got the wrong dog. And it's probably missing a leg or 2.
In Oz, where the sheep may well be miles away, dogs were needed that would actually run miles on end, just to find a sheep. We're talking about properties that aren't measured in a couple hundred acres here. In the UK, sheep farms are rarely a fraction of the size of an average Aussie station. Think American ranches of the west compared to your average Jersey fair cow farm.
This really isn't difficult.
Now I'm starting to see why so many of the folks here think distance-runner-du-jour can run a sub 11 100m, or that sprinter-du-jour might run a sub 13 5k.
Sal Oooki wrote:
.... A border Collie cannot catch a European Hare or they would actually use them for that instead of breeding Lurchers or using other Sighthounds..
of course, there ^IS that. :)
wtfunny wrote:
Border collies are super smart, for sure. And they're very quick, agile and great dogs. But they don't run miles on end.
Have you ever herded sheep? Or cows? If your sheep dog has to chase a sheep, or a cow, for miles, you've got the wrong dog. And it's probably missing a leg or 2.
In Oz, where the sheep may well be miles away, dogs were needed that would actually run miles on end, just to find a sheep. We're talking about properties that aren't measured in a couple hundred acres here. In the UK, sheep farms are rarely a fraction of the size of an average Aussie station. Think American ranches of the west compared to your average Jersey fair cow farm.
This really isn't difficult.
Now I'm starting to see why so many of the folks here think distance-runner-du-jour can run a sub 11 100m, or that sprinter-du-jour might run a sub 13 5k.
You don't know anything about dogs.
wtfunny wrote:
Border collies are super smart, for sure. And they're very quick, agile and great dogs. But they don't run miles on end.
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YES THEY DO. Period. Full stop.
You've never spent ANY time herding sheep, have you?
hint: they (sheep) are not THAT fast. Nor do they run at high speeds for miles on end from a dog.
You know what animals DO run miles on end at high speeds? Gazelles. And European hares. And Wolves. And, not surprisingly, the dogs that were bred specifically to hunt those creatures.
.......?..... wrote:
You don't know anything about dogs.
I know a bit about dogs that herd sheep. And an Aussie kelpie will outrun a border collie every day of the week. Over a long distance, a longer distance, AND a longer distance.