Taoufik Makhloufi workout video 2 weeks before 2:13.09 at 1000m

newname wrote:Why not enter his 1500m and 1000m bests for distances/times that he has actually run?

because his '15 pbs are nonsense

he was capable of 2'11-mid in his 1k effort if fast pace to 600

his 1500 is now nonsense as he really doesn't look same endurance monsta of '12

he's running 3'28-high when was in 3'26+ shape in games

Wouldn't that be a better indicator than fabricating TWO times that he HAS NOT run and guessing his 800m potential?

because you need a clue about about shape

you clearly don't

in '12 stockholm after games letdown, he ran ~ 6.5m extra on bends in 1'43.7 off pathetic jog of 25.4s, when 24-low was expected

he was in 1'42-flat shape if fast gun-tape route-1

Wouldn't his potential at 800m and 1000m be demonstrated best by the 1000m race he actually did and pushed all-out in?

see above for 800

as for 1k :

you don't run best 1k for elite off rubbish 1'46+

it has to be 1'44+ to attack 2'12-flat

he had crap pacing in that 1k

Believing that the best preperation for an 800m race is "four or five days with light jogging" is beyond clueless. It's absolute ignorance of 800m preperation.

Watch the film Fox Catcher.

J.R. wrote:Hahahaha!!!!

Nice, I like it

move on

as coach of a 1'44+ guy, you are strangely reticent about commenting on other guys' potential

for once, don't fear about upsetting your boy :

maloofi runs solo 1'44.4 & within minutes runs 1'04.75 solo = 1'43.6 pace !!!

then fast coupla other shorter at 400 & 300 at nearly same pace !!!

impress as "1st post" :

what do you reckon he couda run for a 1-off perfectly paced-to-bell in tight lane 1, 800 that day, unknowing how much rest for it ???

nail your balls to the wall for once !!!

i'm even supporting as you as i am rooting oz to win world cup as always for last ~ 40y if america is out & i am certainly no springbok or black-shirt

go oz !!!

you have best rugby talent in world but in wrong sports

why have you taken so damn long to contend again ???

Half Mile Standard wrote:Believing that the best preperation for an 800m race is "four or five days with light jogging" is beyond clueless. It's absolute ignorance of 800m preperation

eh ??

since when before Ryun has a 800WR been set of less than few days rest ???

Kipkurgat himself said in his epic solo '74 gold that the rounds cost him WR, let alone huge wind & no drafting

Wilson said 3 days was "too close" to recover to recover from WR effort when running 52.0/50.7 in monaco '97

you can't run anywhere close to best possible 800 without 3 days of rest

Watch the film Fox Catcher

eh ???

where has a wrestling film have elite 800 guys ??

good catch: I meant 2006.

How do you consider Mahk daddy's 2012 form to be so much better than now? At London and Beijing he ran similar times with a faster last 300m in Beijing by close to a second. So if he was in 3:26 shape in 2012 then Kiprop must have at least hit 3:23-24 shape this year.

Watching a bunch of races on TV does not make you an expert.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning

–Kruger_effect

Racing the event at an elite level and coaching an athlete to world class makes you an expert.

Several people have mentioned, including a real expert, that an 800m time trial with a running start, paced by a guy on a bike, with no other runners to negotiate can result in quicker than race times. Are you incapable of actually listening and learning from real experts?

[quote]ventolin^3 wrote:

since when before Ryun has a 800WR been set of less than few days rest ???

{quote]

800 m times tend to be faster in a crowded schedule.. Deal with it.

Interesting to see my comments were deleted, when I'm responding to Vent having a dig at me. Malmö does a good job of protecting Vent on these threads. Lucky I made a copy

Hey moron, I'm JRinaldi not J.R.

I regards to the workout, the 800m wasn't really that impressive (other than the time to us who can't run 1:44).

I've done a workout where I ran a solo (no pacing or anyone else running behind me) in 1:48.1 8min rec then ran 10x200m with 60sec recover and averaged 25.4 with the last rep in 23.2. Considering my pb was only 1:47.60, you'd think that the 800 I ran would indicate that I was capable of a lot quicker, but my results show that I wasn't. So a 1:43 guy running 1:44.6 behind a bike seems more than reasonable to me.

I saw Johnny Gray ran a solo 1:25.3 for 700m...that was pretty impressive.

This thread just lost 22 posts (I'm grateful but surprised JRinaldi's is still here)

Flo'da boy wrote:

This thread just lost 22 posts (I'm grateful but surprised JRinaldi's is still here)

There's nothing to be grateful about.

Intelligent posts are removed, and the ranting idiot V>3 is still here.

[quote]ventolin^3 wrote:

you can't run anywhere close to best possible 800 without 3 days o of rest [quote]

Except for Cruz and Rudisha, among others.

The lifetime bests of 90 percent of the world's 1.41 and 1.42 800m performers achieved their PR after rounds or an extensive racing schedule in the days leading to their PR. Analyze the data, draw conclusions.

it depends on "bunch"

we are not talking a few races over last decade, but majority of euro races over last 40+y

i can name on fingers of both hands the races in last 40+y i woud like to have seen on satellite & haven't, in chronological order :

- caballo 1'43.44wr in '77

- all of rono's wrs in '78

- maree whupping ovett in 3'48.8 in rieti '81

- aouita 3'34.8 with 36+ finish in '84

apart from those & coupla others, i've seen all the races i coud have wished for in past 40+y

that "experience" develops some expertise over kids in their 30s or 40s

no it doesn't

the former means you are an elite athlete, nothing more

the latter makes you a good coach, nothing more

neither makes you an "expert"

sal is "best coach in the world" & he said to mo that he coud go 3'30 in monaco '13"

he was long way out...

who ??

nonsense

there is no evidence of a flying start

watch the start of vid properly

again watch the vid

there are occasions he swings wide into lane 2, offering no drafting

pacing in itself means little

maloofi damn well knows what 1'44 pace is

primarily from running tight in lane-1 with no extra distance on bends

laughable

being an elite athlete only makes you an elite runner not an "expert"

being an elite coach makes you an elite coach, not necessarily an expert

the coach of the best 800 guy of synthetic track era in Rudy is someone called father colm who is a preacher & schoolteacher

there is nothing there to suggest any "expert" other than in right place at right time & putting in helluva lot of effort

does he sound like a guy who studies all the coaching literature, techniques, etc like sal or canova ??

i commend him for helping developing the sport in kenya, but looking at the primitive strength work done by kenyan athletes, it appears he hasn't a clue about developing strength in runners which is what sal has said has been main reason for mo's success

this guy's success is more to having the best talent in the world to work with than any great "expertise"

give canova control of all those athletes & modern facilities, including modern gyms & what do you think wouda been the result ??

don't delude yourself that being an elite athlete or coach makes you any kind of "expert"

canova & sal are, most others, it's an unknown

Someone please ban this guy for awhile. He totally destroys really good threads. It gets super old.

ventolin^3 wrote:

i can name on fingers of both hands the races in last 40+y i woud like to have seen on satellite & haven't, in chronological order :

- caballo 1'43.44wr in '77

- all of rono's wrs in '78

- maree whupping ovett in 3'48.8 in rieti '81

- aouita 3'34.8 with 36+ finish in '84

Hello ventobongo^3! Maybe you have missed a few races, but at least you have seen the great Niyonbongo race in Bunga Bunga.

He is a mod and a dumb one at that.

I've seen all those races that you missed, moran. I know way more than you do.

You are not an expert.

another thread destroyed by the great ventolin.

wow !!!

you ever run a 1'44-solo then few minutes later a 500 at 1'43.6 pace !!!

then followed it with a 52+ & 39+ a few minutes even after that ???!!!

that was a fantastic work-out & anyone with a clue indicates someone capable of something like a 1'42-low in a fully rested, perfectly run 800

very impressive

i'm no coach but read enough workouts to believe you shouda been capable of coupla secs quicker than 1'48.1 if had run your best possible flat-out 800 & nothing saved for 200 reps

that gets you a 1'46.0

yes

your problem

very few, even elite guys run their best possible 800 :

- i already stated that maloofi in his then 1'43.71pb shortly after games ran ~ 6.5m wide on bends -> ~ 1'42.8+ if route-1, tight in lane-1

he also jogged the start at 25.4s when 24-high is expected if chasing a fast pb - he threw away plenty of tenths right there

compounding this was an outrageous, ruinous sprint to get upto aman at bell which wouda cost plenty more tenths for an ideal race

that gets him to ~ 1'42-low & probably 1'42-flat at games when in actual peak shape

he still has a 1'43-mid pb to today, so even an elite pb for 800 indicates nothing for actual 800 ability given perfect race

- souly this year has run 1'42.97pb

go watch it

it had ridiculous amount extra run on bends ~ 8.5m & with little drafting & he gave up somewhat at finish when knowing he was beat

that indicates ~ ( 800 / 808.5 ) * 1'42.97 = 1'41.88

& with his lack of drafting on 1st lap & slight giving up at end, we are talking a perfect 800 for him of route-1 all the way & paced perfectly for the 200+m upto bell at ~ 1'41.5 !!!

this shows that even a 1'42.97pb can be nonsense

- Rudy running 1'40.91WR of near suicidal 23.4 to immediately break the field !!!

more sensible 24.4 + pacing for 200+m to bell & no fatigue of rounds in his legs, he wouda been looking at ~ 1'40-low in a zurich or brussels

even the wr holder can claim his pb was nowhere representative of his ability

nonsense

the bike wasn't ahead of him all the time & he followed up with a quicker paced 500 & slightly slower 400 & 300

anyone with a clue woud know that indicated something great in the 1'42s if a 1-off fully rested perfect 800

no offence to great man but this doesn't seem possible for him or probably anyone

for a start, 1'25.3 = 1'13.1 pace for 600m which is only fractionally quicker than his 1'12.8wr

this means that 700 was virtually his wr pace for 600 held on for another 100m !!!

not likely at all

then :

Rudy in 1'40.91 split 1'27.3

in his 1'41.01 he split 1'27.6

in his 1'41.09 he split 1'27.3

then from calculator, assuming johnny had 45.0 - 45.5 speed at the time, which is wide range but it shoud encompass his 400 shape at time of this 700

45.0 - 45.5 with various 800s for a theoretical 700m :

1'42.0 ->1'27.3 - 1'27.4

1'41.0 ->1'26.6 - 1'26.7

1'40.0 ->1'25.9 - 1'26.0

we have already got down to 1'40.0 & his theoretical 700 is still nowhere close to 1'25.3

to get to 1'25.3 with 45.0 - 45.5 indicates theoretical 800 of :

45.0 - 45.5 / 1'25.3 ->1'39.03 - 1'39.27

no runner shoud collapse so badly from his theoretical 800 off a 700tt to actual 800

that 1'25.3 is likely a typo or wrong timing &/or distance...