Daily Mail reporter confronts AlSal at his Portland home

"Sounds like someone dredged up this thread from six years ago to try to smear Kara."

Yes, that is normal procedure for PR crisis management firms.

something rotten in beaverton? wrote:

Umm, Kara started kicking ass well befor she won NCAA XC. She won the NCAA 3/5 double outdoors.

Sounds like someone dredged up this thread from six years ago to try to smear Kara.

It just happened to be in the thread about Teg Blood Doping from which I got all this other info. You're nitpicking the quote. The point is she was doing something that sounded like blood doping/spinning then (Schumacher), went to Salazar where she got on thyroid meds (Gray Zone), left for Schumacher group where she trained with Shalane (thyroid meds, Gray Zone). I for one fail to see the difference between Kara, Schumacher, and Salazar. They're all Gray Zone until some real evidence of straight doping emerges ideally from a non tainted Gray Zone source like the Gouchers and Magness.

Roelants wrote:

The 17 people argument only gets you so far. Lots of others say they have no concerns. Why should we discount them?

This is an astonishingly, glowingly retarded thing to say on an uncountable number of levels.

You think 17 (it's actually more) people independently coming forward is just some kind of discountable ripple? Exactly where do you set the bar?

And despite the eerie cohesion of these athletes', coaches' and MTs' respective stories, you think the fact that other people (surprise, surprise here) have denied that anything is amiss counts for more? Has anyone in your screwy world ever told a lie?

You've said some daft and stubbornly dumb things on this subject, but with this you've reached elite retard status. On this board, that's a hell of an accomplishment, almost like being in the 40/40 club in baseball. Woohoo for you, sir.

Also, someone needs to explain how a bunch of runners who have been associated with Salazar also known to use or have used thyroid hormone for possibly non-medical reasons translates into Salazar being innocent. In the real world of sane and objective thinkers, that only points more toward his guilt.

If I am driving 110 mph in a 65 and get pulled over, and I tell the cop, "Look, I know a shit-ton of people who always drive over 100 here and one of them is even a sheriff's deputy," does that mean I was not speeding and should be let off the hook?

Extended Metatard wrote:

You think 17 (it's actually more) people independently coming forward is just some kind of discountable ripple? Exactly where do you set the bar?

I think it depends a lot on what those 17 people say.

If they say, "Alberto wanted me to use EPO," that's one thing.

If they say, "Alberto wanted me to get a TUE," that's another.

If they say, "Alberto seems shady but never asked me to do anything," that's another thing altogether.

Extended Metatard wrote:

Also, someone needs to explain how a bunch of runners who have been associated with Salazar also known to use or have used thyroid hormone for possibly non-medical reasons translates into Salazar being innocent. In the real world of sane and objective thinkers, that only points more toward his guilt.

Guilt of what? Being Gray Zone? Hasn't he always been open about operating like that? And groups like Schumacher/OTC have probably always operated like that as well (Teg with blood spinning, Shalane with thyroid, who knows what else) because Schumacher was Salazar's handpicked choice to take over NOP in case he died (which looked likely for awhile). Getting yourself on thyroid meds dates back to at least Bob Kennedy as I showed in a post earlier.

One runner who worked with the Oregon Project for several years told ProPublica and the BBC that he went to the Nike lab to see Dr. Myhre in 2007 because he felt run down.

"I did a blood test at Nike," the runner says. He says he was told his "thyroid was low and testosterone was low." He says that Myhre suggested he go get thyroid hormone and testosterone from a doctor that Salazar sent athletes to. Myhre, he says, assured him, "This is what Alberto does. You'll feel better and you'll be able to train better."

The runner says he then questioned whether it was cheating, to which he says Myhre told him, "Well no, I mean Alberto does it."

The runner asked whether taking testosterone would cause a positive test, and recalls Myhre said: "No. No. No. We'll get you into the normal range."

Giving low doses of testosterone, a process known as "micro-dosing," is often justified as simply boosting someone up to normal or optimal levels. But even small doses can aid muscle building and recovery from workouts, as well as promote the production of oxygen-carrying red blood cells. And micro-dosing—a technique that owes its fame to Lance Armstrong—has bedeviled anti-doping organizations because it is difficult to detect.

LOL ...

If they say, "Alberto gave me prescription drugs to take that I did not have a prescription for." That's illegal.

If they say, "I saw a blood chart in Alberto's office that says Rupp was on Testosterone and prednisone." That's breaking-bending the WADA rules.

If they say, "I saw androgel and alpha male in Alberto and Galen's private room." That's breaking-bending the WADA rules.

This trope has grown tiresome.

NO, Salazar very plainly has NOT been open about the things .

He has not been open about suggesting that runners without prescriptions for given medications take those medications anyway.

He has not been open about scheming to get people with normal respiratory systems diagnosed with EIA.

He has not been open about running around with syringes and Androgel.

He has not been open about leaving stuff behind in hotel suites and asking people to mail him vials of "allergy serum" that was plainly anything but allergy medication.

Pretending that he's admitted to pushing the TUE envelope in ANY WAY places these various allegations in "We already knew that!" territory not only strains credulity, it destroys it in a blast of thermonuclear TARD.

Love this logic. Others MIGHT be cheating too, ergo Salazar isn't really cheating.

We already KNOW that LOTS of people at the top level cheat. Probably a lot more than do not. Why would ANYONE think that distance running is materially different from cycling in this regard?

SHEESH. I don't want to sound like a jerk, but shouldn't you go the hell away and learn how to THINK before you post here?

UofOregonClassof1981 wrote:

I wouldn't expect you outsiders to understand the power of Oregon, the power of Historic Hayward Field, the birthplace of Nike, the home of more great runners than any other university, Pre's rock, etc. But I do -- and I have firsthand experience with all of these phenomena.

You are either a troll or as warped a fanboy as A Duck is.

If you had ever lived in Eugene, you'd know that nobody in the city gives a rip about that stuff, it's for tourists. No UO student knows or cares about track either, except for the team itself. The only local fans are over 70 years old and still don't understand the metric system. So you must be a troll.

Magness knew that he Rupp was on prednisone with a script. And I already showed you how they get Testosterone scripts legally, they test with low test because of training and get it boosted to normal or optimum (but below testing positive for doping with Test).

If Salazar brought them a bottle labeled Cytomel on it, it may have just been so they'd remember to go get a script themselves. The Gouchers know how the game is played. I find them to be huge hypocrites trying to bring down Salazar on a technicality.

Emphasis on breaking-BENDING. Salazar known to experiment with stuff to test how close to get to the legal limits. Magness mentioned that he tested stuff like that on himself at Salazar's orders. So what?

This is how the Gray Zone operates. You get the everything you legally can to allow the human body to compete with straight doping.

The original Class of 1981 guy deserves huge props for fooling all of you for pages on end. It should have been OBVIOUS he was having fun. His shit was WAY over the top. And the more you people RAGGED him, the more EXTREME his trolling became. I knew right away he was a troll, and a jaunty one at that, but then I'm what you might call an ANTI-TARD.

Extended Metatard wrote:

Love this logic. Others MIGHT be cheating too, ergo Salazar isn't really cheating.

We already KNOW that LOTS of people at the top level cheat. Probably a lot more than do not. Why would ANYONE think that distance running is materially different from cycling in this regard?

SHEESH. I don't want to sound like a jerk, but shouldn't you go the hell away and learn how to THINK before you post here?

Look I'm fine with ending the Gray Zone and banning Salazar/Rupp but if the authorities do that then the Gouchers should be banned as well and Schumacher and Teg and Shalane and probably the entire OTC. Oh, and Magness.

Gray Zone wrote:

Look I'm fine with ending the Gray Zone and banning Salazar/Rupp but if the authorities do that then the Gouchers should be banned as well and Schumacher and Teg and Shalane and probably the entire OTC. Oh, and Magness.

At the moment, there is a strong case being assembled against Salazar and Salazar only. Soon enough he'll be out on his ass and hanging his balls in shame (to the extent he's even capable of feeling that emotion) and track will be BETTER for it.

Now, every single runner and coach you mention in this post COULD be guilty of something, but if Al Sal goes down, that isn't grounds for just banning everyone HELTER-SKELTER, WILLY-NILLY or LEFT AND RIGHT, take your pick.

Agree wrote:

score one for Wejo wrote:

You probably don't hear this much around here, but well done Wejo. That was an excellent post. Thanks

Agree. Also, I think 'U of Oregon Class of 1981', is a fake, seem to recognize his writing style, doesn't matter though, it makes debate.

1981 is A Duck. The content and style of writing are identical.

YEZZZZZZ !! Shabba !!

Insult me all you want. Can you tell us what the 17 people said? No assumptions, no insinuations, - what did they say? You seem to know everything, so please give the details.

I am not saying it's not indicative of a pattern but the substance of what they said might matter.

I am actually saying the androgel story is the one I find most in need of explanation. I look forward to details from you.

One thing that is clear is that the Salazar defenders want to keep the argument centered on the "gray zone" to muddy the waters and give an ounce of hope that there isn't anything more serious going on. The problem is that misusing prescription meds is not gray zone, it is pure cheating.

You're cute wrote:

Trollus Maximus wrote:

If somebody harassed my family, I'd be waiting with a baseball bat or a 12-gauge...

Lol internet tough guy

Since when did harassment become acceptable? There are more ethical ways to uncover the truth than confronting somebody at their home. Utterly classless paparazzi vulture tactics.

What do you need to know about the androgel story that hasn't already been told?

Roelants wrote:

Insult me all you want. Can you tell us what the 17 people said? No assumptions, no insinuations, - what did they say? You seem to know everything, so please give the details.

I am not saying it's not indicative of a pattern but the substance of what they said might matter.

I am actually saying the androgel story is the one I find most in need of explanation. I look forward to details from you.