225 Athletes from 39 Countries Implicated in Doping

There seems to be a lot of mix-represented facts on what is going on with the IAAF right now...so here is some information. Really there are several linked, but separate situations going on here. Some details:

1) The current Russian doping scandal coming out of the German TV documentary is new, and does, indeed, implicate IAAF in some serious cover-up and corruption, as well as top to bottom corruption in Russia. (since Russia currently has 67 track and field athletes serving bans, is anyone really that surprised?).

2) The current IAAF president and his son, regarding 5mill pay off also appear to have hand in the honey pot.

3) This thread is a completely separate situation, and being way blown out of proportion of the context. First off, anyone who reads the scientific literature knows of this data already since 2011: see published study here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21427381

. What has now happened, which contravenes the ethics of the study, is that the countries have been leaked (and perhaps athletes?). There were some very specific reasons for this study, including:

a) at the time the IAAF and WADA need to collect enough background blood data to set-up the biological blood passport. One needs tons of normative data to set-up the BP.

b) A one of blood tests CANNOT implicate an athlete in doping. One needs to develop an individual profile, which over time, creates individual cut-offs (OFF-SCORE), which then can suggest of a doping infraction. Almost all the blood tests in this study are one-off tests (not all, but many) and one cannot project positives without enough individual baselines (e.g. I've tested thousands of athletes, and at least 1 or 2 per 100 have a natural baseline hematocrit over 50% and have never been to altitude).

c) however, when there are a high degree of suspicious samples, the IAAF doping committee could then better target test certain countries, which is exactly what they did.

The issue is the media are stupid and trying to make a story out of false-understanding of why this data exists and what was the purpose...this data has been out since 2011, just the countries were blinded, as per ethics of the study design.

The issues in Russia, and links to IAAF and 5mill payouts ARE THE REAL story here....

In The Know... wrote:

There seems to be a lot of mix-represented facts on what is going on with the IAAF right now...so here is some information. Really there are several linked, but separate situations going on here. Some details:

So what you're saying is that all these sketchy blood values do not indicate a massive problem with doping in distance running?

Methinks you're another dimwitted apologist for the many many filthy cheats that dominate our sport. (I'm presuming a massive fan of the Africans?)

Here's the documentary with English subtitles:

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1YlKaN3cPs

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erDHCgjeHsI

Part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtJNUUyv9wI

Part 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Pw9JMBZ-s

trollism wrote:

In The Know... wrote:

There seems to be a lot of mix-represented facts on what is going on with the IAAF right now...so here is some information. Really there are several linked, but separate situations going on here. Some details:

So what you're saying is that all these sketchy blood values do not indicate a massive problem with doping in distance running?

Methinks you're another dimwitted apologist for the many many filthy cheats that dominate our sport. (I'm presuming a massive fan of the Africans?)

That's not at all what he's saying, dingus. Chill yourself

Here we go again, another "source" "in the know" "I've tested thousands of athletes" post, but telling us nothing or anything we don't already know.

In The Know... wrote:

b) A one off blood test CANNOT implicate an athlete in doping.

But if 225 athletes from 39 countries have suspect "one off" (or more) "blood tests" that could implicate systematic and/or endemic athlete doping. And it doesn't include those that haven't been tested and those that got the timing right so as not to show an anomaly.

What do we say?

First of all, that SG was right on the money:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5317989

Ben Oliphant wrote:

What do we say?

First of all, that SG was right on the money:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5317989

Usain Bolt ain't from Russia, genius

Apple Genius wrote:

Ben Oliphant wrote:

What do we say?

First of all, that SG was right on the money:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5317989

Usain Bolt ain't from Russia, genius

WTF does that have to do with anything idiot?

In The Know... wrote:

The issues in Russia, and links to IAAF and 5mill payouts ARE THE REAL story here....

"Russia, and links to IAAF and 5mill payouts" may be stories but they are not THE REAL story here, the real story here is as the Subject title implies "225 Athletes from 39 Countries Implicated in Doping". And someone who really is 'in the know' (i.e. the organ grinder and not the monkey) seems to agree:

"Former Wada president Dick Pound accused athletics of failing to do enough to combat doping.

“Clearly, what they’re doing is not sufficient,” he said.

“Right now, it’s in the IAAF’s park. They’ve got to do something about it, something meaningful about it pretty soon.”

Asked whether athletics’ problems were now equivalent to those which engulfed cycling, Pound said: “Endemic, you mean? Well, it’s starting to look that way."

Wow, the stuff of nightmares...

nightmares, yes, especially if you compete(d) cleanly

it was an easy choice for me. i like my nuts.

I Call BS wrote:

Here we go again, another "source" "in the know" "I've tested thousands of athletes" post, but telling us nothing or anything we don't already know.

and why are they always long posts full of verbosity (for verbosity read bs)

21.20 if that is a pb is only club level sprinter. Did you have other plans after college? It's not like while you were competing you could dream of going to the Olympics. Note I'm not disparaging you as 99.99 percent of runners can't do that....

In The Know... wrote:

(e.g. I've tested thousands of athletes, and at least 1 or 2 per 100 have a natural baseline hematocrit over 50% and have never been to altitude).

Serious questions, how do you know it's natural? and, are you a highly qualified specialist in the field and what are your quals?

In The Know... wrote:

b) A one of blood tests CANNOT implicate an athlete in doping. One needs to develop an individual profile, which over time, creates individual cut-offs (OFF-SCORE), which then can suggest of a doping infraction. Almost all the blood tests in this study are one-off tests (not all, but many) and one cannot project positives without enough individual baselines (e.g. I've tested thousands of athletes, and at least 1 or 2 per 100 have a natural baseline hematocrit over 50% and have never been to altitude).

The test does not only test for hematoctrit, it will have assessed several other parameters (reticulocyte count etc) which were also out of whack in the samples indicating something that was suspicious.

When looking at the proportion of the abnormal tests according to country of origin of the athlete, countries with known widespread doping came out on top i.e. Russia, Kenya, Spain, Morocco (and Ethiopia though there has never been any sort of doping control in that country so until now they have not been identified as a "doping nation"). The test results were thus a very good indicator of doping and the IAAF was not systematic in following up and trying to bust over 200 athletes who were likely cheating. This apathy of the IAAF towards catching drug cheats when they had a good opportunity to do so is where the real scandal lies.

You lost all credibility a long time ago when you tried to make a name for yourself by calling out Adam Goucher for doping because he went to Al Sal, so stay on the porch where you belong and let the big dogs sort this out.

Seppelt also insisted the evidence on a leaked list of more than 150 athletes with suspicious blood values, which included three British athletes, was more comprehensive than the International Association of Athletics Federations had suggested. “The IAAF is trying to give the impression that all the details we had were individual blood values,” he said. “That is simply not the case. There are several readings for each athlete.”

Thanks, so these people who carry on like they're up there with the big boys and girls, have "sources" and "are in the know" really know no more than the rest of us, they're blowhards?

Rudisha is running his mouth so mouth one has to wonder.