His last 800 in Athens was 1:46.9, so practically 1:47 rather than 1:46.
His coach actually said he had a best 400 in training of 48 + secs, so using a 300 rolling repeat as a way of claiming '46 high' is not very accurate.
I seriously doubt he'd have broken 1:43, and the fact he never ran one 800 on the circuit is somewhat bizarre.
Come on! It's got to be age/ era related.
Aouita was an Olympic champion, World champion and multi world record holder. What has Choge won? Nothing of note.
Aouita held world records at 1500, 2000, 3000 and 5000, something Komen and EL G could only dream of. Choge is running almost 30 years after Aouita and yet the latter's PBS are comparable. How many people I. The 1950's were running as fast as Aouita 30 years later?
Choge, as good a range as he has, is but a footnote in such discussions.
I have no idea if Aouita doped, but if he did, then it is even more likely that EL G and his era were also doping too.
Maybe if Choge actually won the odd race you'd have the beginnings of an argument.
ISBN wrote:
Come on! It's got to be age/ era related.
Aouita was an Olympic champion, World champion and multi world record holder
The title of the thread is:
Does Komen have the strongest 1500/mile, 3000/2 mile, 5k times?
Try again when your reading comprehension skills improve. This is about who's faster, not who won the most.
But if their era is relevant, then Komen competed during the era of no EPO testing, and Aouita during the eras of legal blood doping and no OOC testing at all. Choge competes during the era of bio passports.
Professing ignorance of the Aouita doping scandal is a weak debating strategy.
Bad Wigins wrote:
said88 wrote:(aouita aouita i love aouita goat)
So B.W. now it's enough, OK. Stop putting phrases under my letsrun name which I never have said, not in any way. Are you totally out of your mind these days or what? What's wrong with you? Can't you handle the fact that someone is interested in the career of a runner from the 1980s (where you probably not yet have been born) which you don't like (or should I say "abysmal hate"?
You have proved in this thread that you are not able to handle any argument and that you can't give even the weakest argument by yourself. Anybody who reads in this thread must see how bad and stupid you have acted here.
Augustine Coge and Said Aouita have had great range from 800m up to 5000m (for sure Aouita's is better, relatively speaking (also absolutely) - also I'm pretty sure you don't want (!) to see this). But this was not the point at all.
Just a reminder:
Choge never has run the 10000m. Yet, here is your comment:
B.W.: "Anyone who thinks Choge won't go sub 27 is out of his/her mind or just ignorant. He's run sub 13 4 times and sub 13:10 13 times."
27 was broken for the first time in 1994. Nobody (apart from you) can know if Augustine Choge will better this mark (if he tries at all!) but you are calling anybody who might doubt this as out of his/her mind!
Not any 5000m runner can excel in same manner over 10000m (especially if he originally is an middle distance runner).
Than on the other side is Aouita who has done a close to the WR performance in his debut over 10000m (which i have explained more detailed to you already). Yet your comment is that with this performance he has proved (!) that he can't handle the 10000m.
Stupidy at its best.Just laughable.
Maybe it should just be added that Aouita has beaten some of the best over 800m BEFORE and AFTER his 10000m race in '86. In big international Grand Prix meetings.
ISBN wrote:His last 800 in Athens was 1:46.9, so practically 1:47 rather than 1:46
nonsense
1'46.9 is a 1'46+
His coach actually said he had a best 400 in training of 48 + secs, so using a 300 rolling repeat as a way of claiming '46 high' is not very accurate
no
all his coach said was 48, with no details of how rested he was for it or even which year
to be meaningful, it woud have to been in '98 with best part of 1/52 rest for it
in absence of that info, the 300 reps indicate a 46/47 guy
I seriously doubt he'd have broken 1:43
utter nonsense
if far inferior 1500 guys in baala/asbel coud run 1'43-flat off 1500 training, hicham wouda demolished 1'43
and the fact he never ran one 800 on the circuit is somewhat bizarre
meaningless nonsense
he never ran a serious 1k in his life but his composite best in a 1500 was
2'14-mid/high
he couda threatened the 1k wr but had no interest in even running the event !
similarly, he couda run 1'42+ but had no interest in the 800 either
ISBN wrote:I have no idea if Aouita doped, but if he did, then it is even more likely that EL G and his era were also doping too
more nonsense
if aouita was doping, then it's more likely guys of his era, coe/ovett/cram were doping NOT a guy running in the following decade
said88 wrote:Maybe it should just be added that Aouita has beaten some of the best over 800m BEFORE and AFTER his 10000m race in '86. In big international Grand Prix meetings.
have you had a chance to estimate how much extra distance he ran in his 3'29.71 ?
aouita should be in jail with ramzi and guerrouj
ventolin^3 wrote:
ISBN wrote:His last 800 in Athens was 1:46.9, so practically 1:47 rather than 1:46nonsense
1'46.9 is a 1'46+
You're confused. Ryun ran a 1:44.3 800m, Cram ran a 1:42.8 800 and Coe a 1:41.7.
Please show me where you have followed your own advice and written that Coe ran a 1:41, Cram a 1:42 and Ryun a 1:44. No, we're not discussing what they could have run in some fantasy land in your head, but what they have actually run.
One rounds down to the nearest tenth, not the lowest second.
said88 wrote:
long rambling post
Aouita is a self outed doper
your refusal to acknowledge this, and rank him as 6th best runner on your little website, reveals your incredible bias towards him
he is just another moroccan druggy
the biggest moroccan fraud of them all
the "king of the mile" got away with it
ISBN wrote:You're confused. Ryun ran a 1:44.3 800m, Cram ran a 1:42.8 800 and Coe a 1:41.7
i have no faith in veracity of circumstances of last clocking
Please show me where you have followed your own advice and written that Coe ran a 1:41, Cram a 1:42 and Ryun a 1:44
get a clue fool
for actual race clockings, you only use the tenths unless having to go to hunderedths to demarcate wrs
bolt has run 9.58wr
everyone refers to him as a 9.5 guy NOT a 9.6 one
No, we're not discussing what they could have run in some fantasy land in your head, but what they have actually run
where are you getting this drivel from ???
One rounds down to the nearest tenth, not the lowest second.
nonsense
in actual race clockings you refer to quicker tenth
the hundredth is just an addendum used to separate simlar clockings mostly for separating records
a split in a 800 or 1500 or any middle/distance race usually has 1 estimated timing from vid & the clock will only show to a tenth & often no side-on shot, meaning it is an estimate not an actual verified split
anyone with a clue call's hicham's split 1'46+ NOT 1'47
I assume you guys think 3:26.00 is superior to 12:39?
I think if El G and Komen raced more than once over 3K, it'd probably be 50-50 between them as to who won each time. Both were fierce competitors.
What do you guys think El G in his prime (3:26 shape) could've hot for a 5,000M optimally?
Rhannon Sowbury wrote:
said88 wrote:long rambling post
What do you want to tell me with this?
Aouita is a self outed doper
Like Marion Johnes or Lance Armstrong? I have not heard this.
your refusal to acknowledge this, and rank him as 6th best runner on your little website, reveals your incredible bias towards him
The ranking on my site is not up to date. Kenenisa Bekele now is much closer to Gebrselassie than he was in early 2009.
The only criterion for my ranking is what the athletes have actually achieved during there running career. I have tried to value all there races they have done. It is not possible to have a "fair" ranking, since there are way too many variables involved (and not just the laughable counting of numbers of medals in the different colours). And it's not even clear how to value these different variables at all. If the probability that the different athletes have taken illegal substances during there career (by my own estimation) is 10%, 20%, 30%... 90% was no criterion for the ranking.
That's a bad editing of my post (my mistake). Hopefully it's still clear what I have written and what Mr or Mrs Sowbury.
Where's this web site that ranks the best runners? I'd like to see an up to date list.
It's the site
www.thegreatdistancerunners.de
It's my own site and the ranking is just my own list which I have done a few years back (but with a lot of thinking about it). Unfortunately the site isn't updated a lot over the last years. Maybe I find the time for this in near future.
said88 wrote:
It's the site
http://www.thegreatdistancerunners.deIt's my own site and the ranking is just my own list which I have done a few years back (but with a lot of thinking about it). Unfortunately the site isn't updated a lot over the last years. Maybe I find the time for this in near future.
It's a great site. I haven't seen such in depth list of races on elite athletes anywhere else.
A great contribution to the actual real performances of athletes.
Cheers.
Deanouk wrote:
said88 wrote:It's the site
http://www.thegreatdistancerunners.deIt's my own site and the ranking is just my own list which I have done a few years back (but with a lot of thinking about it). Unfortunately the site isn't updated a lot over the last years. Maybe I find the time for this in near future.
It's a great site. I haven't seen such in depth list of races on elite athletes anywhere else.
A great contribution to the actual real performances of athletes.
Cheers.
I'll check it out now. You should really consider updating it to include runners up to the present! Being a list guy, this sounds like a great idea.
said88 wrote:
It's the site
http://www.thegreatdistancerunners.deIt's my own site and the ranking is just my own list which I have done a few years back (but with a lot of thinking about it). Unfortunately the site isn't updated a lot over the last years. Maybe I find the time for this in near future.
Just as a heads-up, a few of the links don't work anymore. Just thought I'd let you know.
Amazing site from what I've looked at so far. I love stuff like this or the All-Time Athletics site with the best times ever.