Bill Rodgersssss wrote:
THIS^^^^^^ wrote:Spot on!
NOPE, not even close to being spot on. THIS and come on son are the same poster, big surprise. Way to compliment yourself when no one else would.
no...that was spot on. This is how distance running works...
runner who professes wrote:
Post-race workouts. There is no free lunch. It is difficult to fathom how these Stepford NOP athletes put up with Salazar.
Because they keep winning and improving...
not the same person wrote:
Because they keep winning and improving...
Only Farah keeps winning. The rest either lose or win against weak competition.
give some credit to Nike here - they are tolerating Al Sal pulling his top athlete from worlds - you can't call them a profits only machine when they are allowing this to happen.
idunnowhat wrote:
Only Farah keeps winning. The rest either lose or win against weak competition.
examples?
He turned Farah into the most dominant distance runner on the track
Rupp, who had a down year last year that still saw him get 4th at the world championships, has had the textbook definition of an intelligently coached progression throughout his entire career and is in the midst of his best indoor campaign to date
Ritz has PRed in the 5000,10,000, and marathon and become the 3rd fastest US performer in history
Centro won a silver
Levins, idiotically claimed to be Rupps training partner, has run big PRs
Mary Cain is early in her career but thus far seems to be following the Rupp model
He is not the perfect coach for everyone but I don't think anyone in his current camp has reason to complain...
His antics at the world championships, however, were embarrassing and if I were his athlete I would make it clear that I would not want my image associated with such behavior in the future (however Salazar is in one of those rare situations where the coach is a bigger name than the athlete)
national championships*
not the same person wrote:
idunnowhat wrote:Only Farah keeps winning. The rest either lose or win against weak competition.
examples?
He turned Farah into the most dominant distance runner on the track
Rupp, who had a down year last year that still saw him get 4th at the world championships, has had the textbook definition of an intelligently coached progression throughout his entire career and is in the midst of his best indoor campaign to date
Ritz has PRed in the 5000,10,000, and marathon and become the 3rd fastest US performer in history
Centro won a silver
Levins, idiotically claimed to be Rupps training partner, has run big PRs
Mary Cain is early in her career but thus far seems to be following the Rupp model
He is not the perfect coach for everyone but I don't think anyone in his current camp has reason to complain...
His antics at the world championships, however, were embarrassing and if I were his athlete I would make it clear that I would not want my image associated with such behavior in the future (however Salazar is in one of those rare situations where the coach is a bigger name than the athlete)
LOL!!!!!!! Ritz PRd in the 5000??? Are you an idiot? You realize Ritz still has a faster 5k PR than Rupp don't you?
One stupid comment nullified everything else you said.
?? He prd in the 5000 under Salazar...how is him still having a faster 5000 pr than rupp relevant?
lolzzek wrote:
Chicken Little Soup wrote:Here, here, I agree. Too many back out of races because things aren't perfect. A sore calf, I've known many pros that have run with worse, way worse.
Yes, I've known plenty of people who have raced with way worse. And they weren't world-beating athletes.
This is called "listening to your body." It's a basic principle, but obviously a hard one to follow in practice. I just thought more people at LRC would understand it in theory at least.
There's a difference between "I'm sore as hell and worn down from my hard-ass training" and "Something's not right here." Most runners - myself included - refuse to acknowledge that difference and/or fail to register it until it's too late. That's how you get injured. That's how you lose weeks or months of training.
For everyone talking about how this is all about money, I'm a little confused. I thought the 70s were the heyday of running, with more people interested in the sport and thus more money involved. Yet apparently people were "more hardcore" back then (and then ended their careers at 24 years of age).
Also, look at your own experience. It's not about money. I try to back off when something's not right, because I care about races later this season and next season. If I'm lucky, maybe I'll win a $50 gift card at a race one day. It's about the love of running and racing and a hatred of the months you've spent getting back up to speed after an injury.
If I stopped every time something was merely "sore", I would have run very few races. I've broken 2:30, several times, and have rarely ran without some little ache or pain. You believe what you want and do what you want, as can Al or anyone else. My opinion is based off my experiences and beliefs, not yours.
A serious pain, yes of course I agree, but a little soreness???? I've talked with dozens of "top" runners from Martin to Sinclair to Rodgers to Meyers to Lindsay and on and on. I recall many saying that they were nursing this or nursing that, but they ran and did not feel that they were in risk of ruining their season. I recall Sinclair talking about how beat up and sore he was week after week of racing, but he gutted it out and did the best he could. Today's runners are primadonnas who avoid running when things aren't perfect and then make excuses when they do feel perfect as to why they didn't win.
This! Too much pampering in my opinion.
If I stopped every time something was merely "sore", I would have run very few races. I've broken 2:30, several times, and have rarely ran without some little ache or pain. You believe what you want and do what you want, as can Al or anyone else. My opinion is based off my experiences and beliefs, not yours.
A serious pain, yes of course I agree, but a little soreness???? I've talked with dozens of "top" runners from Martin to Sinclair to Rodgers to Meyers to Lindsay and on and on. I recall many saying that they were nursing this or nursing that, but they ran and did not feel that they were in risk of ruining their season. I recall Sinclair talking about how beat up and sore he was week after week of racing, but he gutted it out and did the best he could. Today's runners are primadonnas who avoid running when things aren't perfect and then make excuses when they do feel perfect as to why they didn't win.[/quote]