Officials cost Wilson at least one spot in the 800

Kipketer_Pumpkin_Eater wrote:

I can't find the specific video that I watched earlier upon which I based my comments, but it featured a bird's eye (high angle angled, not 100% birdseye) darn clear view. Typical side footage of the race's final straight obscures the reality. When I watched that footage, I replayed it a couple of times. It was very clear in my mind.

Here you go, watch at the 2.36 mark:

agip wrote:

I just watched the finish a few more times - the more I watch it the less I think the Russian mis-acted.

The first 'swing' was really just a weak brushback - fine for track and field. then it looks like the russian lost her balance as she swerved away from the montano train wreck and didn't actually land an elbow on ajee.

so the first was an appropriate elbow and the second appeared to be a loss of balance, not a punch, and I don't think it landed anyway.

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start watching at 2:20

Order of events.

1. with ~90m to go: Poistogova starts to move out to lane three coming off the bend, cutting Wilson off. Then darts back towards the inside of lane two thinking she pass on the inside...but she is not closing fast enough to take advantage of the opening.

2. with about 50m to go, the front three start coming back to her, but at the same time Martinez comes up on her on the inside, taken advantage of the hole Postogova had her eye on

3.Poistogova then moves out towards lane 3 and bumps Wilson. Wilson gives he a little bit of room. While she was giving her room, Poistogova throws an elbow and misses, throwing herself of balance and then stumbles into AJ again, giving her one of those 'brushback' elbows you mention.

4. after this brushback elbow, AJ moves out to give Poistogova even more room. Meanwhile, she winds up to another elbow (clearly bringing her right fist up above her left shoulder during the wind-up) but misses b/c AJ already moved out for her. This is where AJ gets passed.

I don't know the specific DQ rules, but this definitely seems flagrant and deserves and appeal.

Re Montano: with about 90m to go, she is on the outside of lane 1. With about 40m to go, she looks over her rght shoulder and then starts to drift, ending up on the outside of lane 2 when she falls.

The first time I watched the race at full speed, I was surprised Montano even got 4th with the five steadily gaining on her.

But she effectively blocked two, drifting and falling wide while one got by on the inside.

But it wasn't intentional and I don't think people will really try that in the future.

Too many crazy things going on with all them just digging in to beat each other to the line.

No DQ was the best call.

It's almost always the best call unless something is blatant.

This is what a DQ looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKM1h6MF-g

Passing on the inside of the rail while shoving someone to the ground and then stepping back on the track and going on for the win.

Rodriguez didn't even really celebrate the win. She knew she was going to get DQed.

The Russian Bear's most obvious windup is seen in the video at 2:36 (overhead view) as well as 3:02 (ground-level view).

And here's the Kemboi DQ from Pre.

Go about 9 min in and watch replays from there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZMmxHkFj3k

Kemboi lost anyway but the DQ had to be called.

And it cost him money.

But if you foul as a result of being impeded, do you also get DQed?Personally I find this to be pretty standard 800m running. If you want clear running, you better make sure your at the front.

OK. I didn't look at the overhead view before.

I now see the need for a DQ.

She zigged in. Zagged out. And took a couple of whacks and a lean.

Wilson was moved a lane in a half in the last few strides by the Russian Bear.

Agreed on this. Montano drifted to her left and cost herself a bronze.

This caused the bumping behind her even though I think the slashing elbow was unnecessary.

Montano must have been in major rig...

She had the first lane. All she needed to do was to stay there and Martinez would not have gotten through.

It really only shows on the this video, which gives three different angles on the finish. It's hard to find because it uses Savinova's name in the title.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wgofu8VkCA

Title is: Savinova Women's 800M Final | 2013 MOSCOW CHAMPIONSHIPS | LIVE 8-18-13

At 5:27 and 5:53 you can see Ajee getting whacked, knocked sideways in her lane. It's also clear that Montano is really not the problem. She was in Lane 2 and clear of the Russian. This event happened in Lane 3 as the Russian veered over to cut off Ajee, using really forceful swings of her elbow. Certainly not incidental contact.

Martinez wasn't going to be the competition for the bronze. Without that dive out to slow down the russian and wilson, one of them would have passed her.

Balian wrote:

Agreed on this. Montano drifted to her left and cost herself a bronze.

This caused the bumping behind her even though I think the slashing elbow was unnecessary.

Montano must have been in major rig...

She had the first lane. All she needed to do was to stay there and Martinez would not have gotten through.

J.R. wrote:

Clear view wrote:

Poistogova was coming in behind her compatriot and was in a bad position. That doesn't give her the right to shove someone out of the way in the next lane in order to create an opening. Clear foul in front of the finish line officials, but they were probably reluctant to disqualify a Russian in that venue.

Oh but you wouldn't disqualify Montano?

Montano run the russian out into Ajee may have given Martinez the bronze.

The Russian had pretty good momentum and had a genuine shot at nipping Martinez at the line if Montano doesn't get in her way. Ajee just got the worst of it.

Why would we protest to elevate someone from 6th to 5th. That's just stupid.

Why would we protest to elevate someone from 6th to 5th. That's just stupid.

Principle.

The Russian Bear should be DQ'd on principle. Elbows are for cage fighters, not track competitors. If you allow cheaters to prosper, then you are saying cheating is acceptable behavior.

If you're blocked on your right, go left. If you're blocked on the left, go right. If you're blocked on both sides, then you are stuck and you can only blame yourself for putting yourself into that position. BUT, you are not allowed to throw windup Russian Bear elbows, step into front of your competitors, and impede the same.

Unfortunately for the Russian Bear, she made the wrong decision and went to her right and found the door closed. It was unsportsmanlike and unfair for the Russian Bear to attack Wilson (1:58.21) and slow her forward momentum. Perhaps Wilson was never a Bronze medal contender, but maybe she would have went sub 1:58?

Can someone please post a video of the Russian Bear, I can't seem to find it.

Clear view wrote:

They gave a pass to the local (Russian) runner who blatantly fouled Ajee Wilson 10 meters from the finish line.

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251036-IAAF-World-Championships-Moscow-2013-Interviews-Races/video/719926-Martinez-gets-bronze-Sum-upsests-Savinova-in-800m-Championship

The term foul is not used in T&F:

The term foul is not used in T&F:

http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/rules-regulations

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Yes, I should have used the word assaulted:)

This. the dq is all about the elbow and not at all about the coming over to give it. Lane drift from inside to out during the final sprint should be prohibited, as it is in track cycling, but they allow it all of the time in running track. So, the question of the foul is all about the elbow, which is clearly a dq-worthy shot if ever there was one.

This. the dq is all about the elbow and not at all about the coming over to give it. Lane drift from inside to out during the final sprint should be prohibited, as it is in track cycling, but they allow it all of the time in running track. So, the question of the foul is all about the elbow, which is clearly a dq-worthy shot if ever there was one.

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If they won't disqualify people then the aggressive behavior by some competitors will undoubtedly continue.

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The term foul is not used in T&F:

http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/rules-regulations

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I too could not find a rule or regulation concerning 'fouls.'

On the other hand, I did find this:

IAAF Competition Rule 163.4 states that any competing athlete who jostles or obstructs another athlete, so as to impede his progress, shall be liable to disqualification from that

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IAAF Competition Rule 163.4 states that any competing athlete who jostles or obstructs another athlete, so as to impede his progress, shall be liable to disqualification from that event.

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Wilson was clearly "jostled" intentionally by the Russian openly in front of everyone watching the finish. Maybe the finish area judges were all Russian.