eldanielfire wrote:
so silly wrote:uhhhhh....
who ever thought THIS was clean:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/21/xinsrc_052080521194621891449.jpgAny athlete contorted with effort looks very muscly. I think it's fair to say this news has genuinely caught people out by surprise.
If by "people" you mean "naive fools," then I couldn't agree more.
TrackCoach wrote:
* wrote:How in the world do you assume Tyson Gay is clean?
People have been so sick of American cheaters for years.
Definitely the biggest druggies in the world.
No body knows for sure, but for several years Felix, Trotter and Gay participated in the non defunct Test-me-I'm Clean" program where they received extra out of competition testing and periodically saved their blood samples. I believe Tyson was still in that program in 2007, which was his most productive year.
Btw, don't expect the Jamaican to be a Bolt, Blake or SAFP, I am thinking along the lines of Walker, Weir or Ashmead. There is a lot of science involved in effectively doping and unless your doping program is sponsored by the state, you almost have to hire a private doctor and other folks to help, which the aforementioned athletes can't afford. You a doctor and/or a chemist to test and examine blood results almost weekly and s spotter who hangs out at the airport to let you know when testers are in town. Jamaica has the advantage of having only one international airport and they can easily tell whose a tourist and whose not. Btw, Bolt has had 2 occasions where he could not be located when testers came. The explanation from Bolts handlers was that some Jamaican streets don't have streets signs of official names and that why the testers could not locate him. When people in the neighborhood were where is his house everyone said they didn't know..this is true story. - Can you imagine a multimillionaire living on an unnamed street and the neighbors don't know his house?
If testers are flying in unannounced, who says Bolt was necessarily at home? I'm sure he has a cell phone so obviously, they had trouble navigating. As much as he's been tested, two incidents ain't bad. And yes, aside from the cities, I'd say the great majority of Jamaica has no street names or numbers on the houses. Mail isn't even delivered, it's picked up at the post office.
Spotters at the only international airport? The least you could do is google, instead of showing ignorance. Jamaica has three international airports, two being major and you cannot tell who is who on the long arrival lines. 90% of you jokers spouting theories have never set foot on the island.
Camazotz wrote:
If by "people" you mean "naive fools," then I couldn't agree more.
Rubbish. Plenty of athlete have suspicious elements about them. plenty of athletes in letsrun have drug rumours thrown at them on a regular basis. VCB certainly wasn't an athlete who had drugs accusations thrown at her like many others.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Here comes the sacrifice that is designed to permit the rest of them to continue to close ranks.
Care to revise your statement?
Get THIS straight wrote:
Let me get this straight wrote:[quote]Get THIS straight wrote:
Choose only one?!?
Why? Either they all MUST be doping or all MUST be clean? On what basis?
This is just one more assumption that appears to be very logical but ends up being circular.
You can dispute the premise, but the logic is unassailable. Once/if you accept the premise, the conclusion follows ontologically, as it were. There is nothing "circular" about it.
But let me spell it out for you in concrete terms: this "sport" you follow is a fraud, on the same order as professional cycling. You may choose not to be believe that, but it is true nonetheless. Sorry.
Until the evidence comes out (like it did in cycling), I fully intend to continue giving athletes the be benefit of the doubt.
Obviously, VCB lost that today.
So sick of this wrote:
I didn't include Gatlin, or Merritt or Jeter.
I made a LEGIT list. Notice I didn't include Barret the high jumper either because Chicherova is likely clean.
I didn't just cherry pick silver medalists from the Olympics, these are athletes with legit gripes who have lost medals AND money probably because other athletes were doped.
Notice I don't smear any athletes, directly or indirectly (even though my eye brow gets raised on occasion), I let the system do its job -- and they are getting better at it.
Best effort is rather than accuse athletes on a message board, defaming them and libeling them -- write to the IAAF and WADA and support their efforts.
You're a fan Stakeholder and if enough people write, they will listen.
ok................. lot of medals there like
Let me get this straight wrote:
[quote]Get THIS straight wrote:
[quote]Let me get this straight wrote:
[quote]Get THIS straight wrote:
Until the evidence comes out (like it did in cycling), I fully intend to continue giving athletes the be benefit of the doubt.
Fair enough. This is certainly your prerogative. You choose to view the world through a different lens that I, and one which I find myself to be naive to the point of almost childish immaturity. But I suppose that is what is necessary for one to be a track "fan" today (or a fan of pretty much any "big time" sport).
As I am not a fan, I am not so constrained.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:Here comes the sacrifice that is designed to permit the rest of them to continue to close ranks.
Care to revise your statement?
Not at all, you moron.
It is exactly what I said would happen, as long as she is sanctioned.
Now that the news is out, I will say that I had some idea of who it was, which is why I didn't mention her name specifically.
It's an event in which I take no pleasure in having been correct.
My hope now is that she knows stuff, will melt down, and will spill all sorts of beans. It depends on all sorts of things, mostly on what will happen now, regarding the imposition of sanctions. She's had a long and profitable career, so she may have gotten enough out of track to be satisfied for a while.
This news immediately sucks for t&f, but will probably benefit t&f in the long run if it permits the Bolt show to continue unimpeded.
'Now that the news is out, I will say that I had some idea of who it was, which is why I didn't mention her name specifically'
Or you didn't know who it was which is why you didn't mention her name specifically
the latter
printwheezer makin out like he called it
uk--
I didn't know for sure, which is why I said "some idea".
It was a pretty good idea, I had it narrowed to one of 3 people.
Nice try, though.
BTW, the latest on this is something like she had declared her use properly, but somehow the requisite paperwork wasn't registered, or passed on properly. They are saying it was in a "cream" that she used.
lol, that's even better than 5-hour energy!
The only way this could get better is if it were a lubricating-type cream.
Hey James, it looks like you were wrong. AGAIN.
From the t&f board, which I never read except for twice a year, maybe, a poster posted this:
VCB. Likes = 60,474 - talking about = 646
Bolt. Likes = 11,571,561 - talking about = 176,961
Sharapova. Likes 10,232,593 - talking about = 491,288
May be highest profile since Marion Jones but still not on radar"
Exactly. Only 646 talking about, in arguably her biggest moment during the twitter era?
Like I said.
