Why did Steve Magness leave Nike and Alberto Salazar? A theory....

If you were to put together a doping program based on Tyler's "How to cheat" manual, USADA's Reasoned Decision, what you learn about doping from Victor's tweets, and what you read on letsrun about the grey area TEUs, I wonder how close it would be to the actual NOP drug protocols?

Reading this thread is like reading 9/11 truther or Obama birther logic. The "evidence" relied upon is laughably weak.

The main basis for this belief seems to be (1) the same anonymous accusations being repeated over and over again until people assume they must have some basis, (2) "reading between the lines" of perfectly innocuous statements, (3) Salazar helping Lance run the NYM, and (4) the success of Rupp and Farah, while overlooking all of Salazar's busts as a coach.

None of this "evidence" is anything that anyone outside of paranoid conspiracy theorists would believe. I don't know whether Salazar and his athletes are doping or not, and maybe they will all get busted some day, but there's no good reason to believe that based on any evidence identified by anyone in this thread.

LOL,

Conte has absolutely no veracity at this point.

Admitted his mistakes? Look at the behavior he had to engage in to make those mistakes.

1. He decided he wanted to help athletes cheat.

2. He then went and created undetectable drugs.

3. He then went out and recruited trainers and athletes...by all sorts of sociopathic behaviors.

Here's the deal, since I first appeared on this Forum, I've never lied or posted false accusations ("speculate" the Lojo's call it).

People who have read these forums for years know that I have posted so many unpublished facts and newsbits about Salazar, Rupp, and NOP -- that all later were verified in news articles by The Oregonian, The Register Guard, and a various video interviews on Runnerspace, Flotrack, and youtube.

My veracity is solid.

The problem with this forum is that good faith people, and people in the know, rarely stick around because this place is a cesspool of bad behavior, people will make anything up, and post it...many of you are just entertaining yourself as anonymous accusers...

The kind of behavior that the Lojo's facilitate, permit and tacitly encourage here...any honest person knows that before the internet you couldn't print without facing legal action.

There is a reason why elite runners and name authorities in the running world have become near non-existent on this board.

THINK about that. If you go back long enough in the archives, you'll see some name people visited here often enough.

They're all GONE now.

If you've followed along long enough, you'd know that:

1. I have no affiliation to Nike, at all. I just don't like seeing people I know to be honest lied about on this shitehole of a forum.

2. As I've said before, the only reason I post vociferously is so there is at least some essence of counter point and honesty.

A Duck, I appreciate your continued efforts on here.

I also 100% agree with your assessment of the Johnsons (on this and other, deleted threads) and feel they are an absolute menace to running and do more to disparage and denigrate than help. It's pathetic and ridiculous.

They're turned what was once obviously a treasure trove of information into a cesspool of slander, racism, and bigotry.

Anyway, thanks for your posts.

Where's the beef? wrote:

Reading this thread is like reading 9/11 truther or Obama birther logic. The "evidence" relied upon is laughably weak.

The main basis for this belief seems to be (1) the same anonymous accusations being repeated over and over again until people assume they must have some basis, (2) "reading between the lines" of perfectly innocuous statements, (3) Salazar helping Lance run the NYM, and (4) the success of Rupp and Farah, while overlooking all of Salazar's busts as a coach.

None of this "evidence" is anything that anyone outside of paranoid conspiracy theorists would believe. I don't know whether Salazar and his athletes are doping or not, and maybe they will all get busted some day, but there's no good reason to believe that based on any evidence identified by anyone in this thread.

You nearly got it right.

(4), I think you must have mis-written your sentence. "All?" Maybe you meant italics or a quote around "all." There is no font for irony, is the old joke...

...Mary Slaney's test is often thrown around here. But, rarely is it included that the Mary Slaney "positive" remains extremely controversial -- long after her arbitration the testing method that "caught" her was found to yield so many false positives in older women taking birth control that they threw out that test method and replaced it with a new test.

A Duck wrote:

You nearly got it right.

(4), I think you must have mis-written your sentence. "All?" Maybe you meant italics or a quote around "all." There is no font for irony, is the old joke...

...Mary Slaney's test is often thrown around here. But, rarely is it included that the Mary Slaney "positive" remains extremely controversial -- long after her arbitration the testing method that "caught" her was found to yield so many false positives in older women taking birth control that they threw out that test method and replaced it with a new test.

You're an idiot. The T/E was never through out, in fact, it was replaced with an even LOWER 4:1 ratio.

In Slaney's arbitration hearing her lawyers abruptly withdrew their case when the IAAF suggested she provide her medical records for a proper longitudinal defense. She knew that she couldn't win after that.

You are a sick defender of the dirtiest element in our sport, A Duck. go away.

What I posted is what I've read and from memory. It is probably still out there that that test was found to give too many false positives and was changed.

I do know that there was controversy around the testing, and the reliability of the T/E rations. As for the IAAF stuff...it's been so long since I read that stuff...can't remember.

I kind of think of those doping control days as the dark ages compared to what we have today.

And in case you have never read it before I am for taking triple samples, holding them for 12-15, and Lifetime bans on first offense. If any of Salzar's athletes fail a test, I'd want the same penalty for them.

I'm just saying, the Alberto I know, is not involved in any of that.

Everything you know about Alberto, you know because he shares it freely with the press. He's always been transparent. All these little assumptions people make and bake...the all add up to nothing. Thinking that Mo or Rupp are tested as seriously as anyone in the world is just lame. And their progressions are all within the normal range.

Go hang out with these people and train with them for a few weeks and you get that what you see is what you get and no more.

Salazar tells you about altitude tents, he tells you about cryo-saunas, he tells you about underwater treadmills...

Plus, he is so straight laced, and would have so much to loose by a failed test on Mo or Rupp, he's not going anywhere near dipping into the list of banned substances.

But, you sure do hate well.

Like so many jealous negative people here.

A Duck wrote:

Everything you know about Alberto, you know because he shares it freely with the press. He's always been transparent. All these little assumptions people make and bake...the all add up to nothing. Thinking that Mo or Rupp are tested as seriously as anyone in the world is just lame. And their progressions are all within the normal range.

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This is false. Alberto is the most secretive person in the sport always has been. A Duck, you keep telling us you are "in the know" and close to Alberto, yet your accounting for Alberto is completely different than the dozens whom I have met over 3 decades that know him well.

You are a fanboy. go away.

#1 Fanboy wrote:

A Duck wrote:

Everything you know about Alberto, you know because he shares it freely with the press. He's always been transparent. All these little assumptions people make and bake...the all add up to nothing. Thinking that Mo or Rupp are tested as seriously as anyone in the world is just lame. And their progressions are all within the normal range.

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This is false. Alberto is the most secretive person in the sport always has been. A Duck, you keep telling us you are "in the know" and close to Alberto, yet your accounting for Alberto is completely different than the dozens whom I have met over 3 decades that know him well.

You are a fanboy. go away.

Fanboy?

I was a teammate, and am a friend.

I'll trust just knowing the guy from 18 until now over any outsiders.

No one believes you.

#1 Fanboy wrote:

No one believes you.

So you are No One?

Still no one believes you, fanboy.

#1 Fanboy wrote:

Still no one believes you, fanboy.

You're a small and disingenuous man, and you always will be.

Enjoy your sad small life if smallness.

Poster Formerly Known asGoober wrote:

Thyroid medication is only beneficial in optimizing normal levels in humans. Exceeding these levels is counterproductive as hyperthyroidism is no better than hypothyroidism. Topping up someone's levels could certainly been seen as a "grey area" but to group it with PED's is ridiculous.

Bingo

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A Duck wrote:

#1 Fanboy wrote:

This is false. Alberto is the most secretive person in the sport always has been. A Duck, you keep telling us you are "in the know" and close to Alberto, yet your accounting for Alberto is completely different than the dozens whom I have met over 3 decades that know him well.

You are a fanboy. go away.

Fanboy?

I was a teammate, and am a friend.

I'll trust just knowing the guy from 18 until now over any outsiders.

Parker Stinson, that u?

I tried telling y'all.

Get yo popcorn, lube, and tissues ready!