Cayla Hatton, High School Senior, Runs 33:17 10,000m Olympic Trials "B" Qualifier

Reasoning?? wrote:

Why do you think this? The laws of science are the same at every school. And even if you're a rankings slave, Oregon is rated #1-#5 in the nation in several majors. So it really just depends on the major.

For graduate school it might matter but you'd be crazy to go to Oregon over Stanford as an undergrad. The name recognition of Stanford over Oregon is out of this world. There are too many jobs where this really does matter.

Derderian wrote:

I was there with 4 GBTC runners in the 10,000. Conditions were ideal for most long distance runners. For Hatton the guys offered an even pace and company. There is no doubt the time and distance is real.

Runners had no heat stress and no wind. Hatton did not have to make pace decisions or worry about place as in a championship. But we can't say that the lack of personal competitive pressure that might be there in a title race helped or hurt her time. The weather certainly helped.

Tom

If one considers she won the NE USATF XC Senior title last fall then performed so well at the USATF Club National XC meet, I doubt she thinks about the competition too much to fall into the trap of “pressure”, internal or external.

wegdsfagsfd wrote:

Reasoning?? wrote:

Why do you think this? The laws of science are the same at every school. And even if you're a rankings slave, Oregon is rated #1-#5 in the nation in several majors. So it really just depends on the major.

For graduate school it might matter but you'd be crazy to go to Oregon over Stanford as an undergrad. The name recognition of Stanford over Oregon is out of this world. There are too many jobs where this really does matter.

I disagree. It still depends on the major. Employers in your major should know which schools are the "best" in your major.

What jobs are you saying that simply going to Stanford is so important?

Farmington CT? Kevin McKusker of Farmington won the NE Collegiate steeplechase in the 70s, and also the 8 mile race up Mt. Washington. There is your Farmington running history. He was a UMass Amnerst runner.

Not try to rain on the parade, because 33:17 is incredible for a high school girl. Lots of respect for her and her training. But I am pretty sure that the USATF/USOC will not accept a qualifying time for a woman that was set in a mixed race.

Thus she must run unattached in any open division. What part do you not understand?

Chris Shamus wrote:

I wasn't there to watch, but can someone tell me why three of the four other girls in that same race ran huge PR's by 35-50 seconds. Im not saying something is fishy, but its odd that everyone set a personal best by a lot.

Track short. Downhill. Wind blow runners around track.

Reasoning?? wrote:

What jobs are you saying that simply going to Stanford is so important?

Are you serious? Simply going to one of the best schools in the nation will open the doors to hundreds of thousands of jobs from the day she graduates until the day she dies. Going to Oregon will open doors to a small number of jobs being offered by people who happen to love Oregon. UO does not have a good academic reputation on the scale of the country's top 50 universities. Few people care about the reputation of the department that granted you your *undergraduate* degree. Sorry.

By the way, what departments at UO have a better reputation than Stanford?

webby wrote:

Reasoning?? wrote:

What jobs are you saying that simply going to Stanford is so important?

Are you serious? Simply going to one of the best schools in the nation will open the doors to hundreds of thousands of jobs from the day she graduates until the day she dies. Going to Oregon will open doors to a small number of jobs being offered by people who happen to love Oregon. UO does not have a good academic reputation on the scale of the country's top 50 universities. Few people care about the reputation of the department that granted you your *undergraduate* degree. Sorry.

By the way, what departments at UO have a better reputation than Stanford?

UO graduate school has #1-#10 rankings in education, business, and English.

touched by god or trained hard since fifth grade, which one? this is a phenomenal time and announced before april 1?

Reasoning?? wrote:

I disagree. It still depends on the major. Employers in your major should know which schools are the "best" in your major.

What jobs are you saying that simply going to Stanford is so important?

This is a longer discussion than I care to engage in, but education is important and I don't want people to be misled.

First, undergraduate majors aren't typically ranked (at least not the way the term is commonly used), with a few exceptions. Colleges are, and certain programs are.

Second, you use the phrase "employers in your major should know" -- but you are making three false assumptions:

1. That you won't want to change your major during college.

2. That you are always going to apply for jobs that your major directly trained you for.

3. That what the employer "should" know is the same as what the employer *does* know. Realistically, everyone knows Stanford is one of the top universities in the country. This isn't about connections, it's about trying to be sure that you're hiring great people. A 3.8 GPA from Stanford doesn't leave any doubts in the mind of the recruiter.

Huh Uh huh wrote:

Easy.... wrote:

Academics. Stanford>>>>>>>>>>Oregon

Which major? Oregon could easily be the better choice depending on the specific academic major and if she wants to be a pro runner.

In what majors is Stanford better than Oregon in? Even in fields like Education, where Oregon is very strong, Stanford is better. But I agree, if she wants to be a pro runner Oregon is the probably the better choice.

So

Reasoning?? wrote:UO graduate school has #1-#10 rankings in education, business, and English.

So you think most employers looking for people with undergraduate degrees in education, business, or English, would rather hire someone from UO than from Stanford?

Reasoning?? wrote:

UO graduate school has #1-#10 rankings in education, business, and English.

This must be a troll...

First of all, she can think about graduate school rankings when she goes to graduate school. She's 18. (And a fantastic runner by the way! I'm sorry to derail this thread, but that was a spectacular run. Congratulations to her!)

Second, from the UO homepage, Stanford is #4, Oregon is #8 in education:

U.S. Top Ten* Public and Private Graduate Schools of Education

1. Vanderbilt University (Peabody) (TN)

2. Harvard University (MA)

2. University of Texas–Austin

4. Stanford University (CA)

4. Teachers College, Columbia University (NY)

6. University of California–Los Angeles*

7. Northwestern University (IL)

8. University of Oregon*

9. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor

9. University of Washington

9. University of Wisconsin–Madison

12. University of California–Berkeley

Stanford is #1, Oregon is #91 in Business (did I read this wrong?):

Stanford is #2 in English, Oregon is #52:

I didn't make any of those assumptions.

And Oregon is a "top school" also (graduate and undergraduate). In fact, it is rated higher than Stanford in some majors. I never said that Stanford was NOT a top school. My argument was that Oregon is ALSO. But that it also doesn't matter where you go as long as you pick up the experience and education you need as well as knowing how to market yourself.

It's a shame that other schools don't have the prestige that Stanford does. A 3.8 at Stanford isn't NECESSARILY as impressive as people think. Lots of curving, relaxed grading, and the subject matter is the same at just about every university.

When did this start? Has Stanford always been regarded as a top school?

The last time ANY of those girls ran a 10000 was probably more than nine months ago. Young women tend to improve over that kind of time, and as TD says, conditions were especially good.

Chris Shamus wrote:

I wasn't there to watch, but can someone tell me why three of the four other girls in that same race ran huge PR's by 35-50 seconds. Im not saying something is fishy, but its odd that everyone set a personal best by a lot.

webby wrote:

So

Reasoning?? wrote:UO graduate school has #1-#10 rankings in education, business, and English.

So you think most employers looking for people with undergraduate degrees in education, business, or English, would rather hire someone from UO than from Stanford?

If UO was the better program and provided better experience, why wouldn't an employer pick them over a Stanford person? Explain why you think the opposite

MatthewXCountry wrote:

Huh Uh huh wrote:

Which major? Oregon could easily be the better choice depending on the specific academic major and if she wants to be a pro runner.

In what majors is Stanford better than Oregon in? Even in fields like Education, where Oregon is very strong, Stanford is better. But I agree, if she wants to be a pro runner Oregon is the probably the better choice.

In certain sub fields of education, UO is ranked #1. You don't major in a field of science in graduate school, you major in a sub field.

No, I doubt that you read it wrong. But like I told the other guy, you don't major in a field in grad school, you major in a sub field. Even in undergrad, there are many different majors that fall under "business". What this means for you is that UO does have #1 rankings in some parts of education. Every school has strengths and weaknesses in every field.

UO has a #1 ranking in things like sports business and marketing, etc. With Nike nearby, there's probably a great exercise physiology or medical school cardiovascular and musculoskeletal programs also.

Easy spot to gain some internships and employment experience.