Lance Armstrong takes 2nd in his first Ironman

Gotta be darn insecure to pick on a guy with 1 nut.

Bobby1 wrote:

Why do people put down athletes on the LR forum. Does it make you feel like a man?

Olympic silver medalist triathlete passes him in the last 1 1/2 miles as Lance, not even in great shape yet and still with weight to lose, goes conservative in the heat on the bike.

1:17/2:46 is about right. So, is he in much better shape than when he ran his pr of 2:46 when he was younger? Maybe. But we know that tris are not the distances they claim to be often.

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We know that tri's aren't the distances they claim to be?

Okay,

Have you done one?

Have you been to one?

Have you measured one?

Have you thought about this?

Have you been listening to others only your entire life?

And you said often? So, does that mean 51% of all the races you have measured?

Who is we? The world?

IMLP bike and run are both long so not all are short. Even if Panama were short (i don't think it was), who cares? It was short for everyone and there were a lot of studs in that field.

Top 10 American? More like top 3!

We have Chris lieto and Andy potts for Hawaii...

by the commonly accepted rule 70.3 time x2 + 30min that would make him come in at 8:10 in Hawaii. If he can improve (likely), I can see sub 8 happening for him. That would be great.

So TriDude?

You think Armstrong can beat Craig Alexander, and the course record his first year out?

All because of your tri calculation?

Lance was leading X-Terra World Champs (off-road) Triathlon until he crashed late in the bike portion.

So Lance has the bike skills to be competitive in mountain biking as well.

Please don't tell me Lance isn't a talented athlete.....VERY talented.

Oooops wrote:

So TriDude?

You think Armstrong can beat Craig Alexander, and the course record his first year out?

All because of your tri calculation?

There have also been naysayers who argued it would be impossible to win 7 TdF in a row. Lance is the Dean of Tri.

6 Thomas, Jesse 0:20:08 2:16:17 1:15:01 3:55:30Mr. Lauren Flesman with the second fastest HM split!

Lurking.... wrote:

Men's Splits

Swim Bike Run Total

1 Docherty, Bevan 0:18:54 2:14:37 1:12:50 3:50:13

2 Armstrong, Lance 0:19:22 2:10:18 1:17:01 3:50:55

3 Cunningham, Richie 0:19:19 2:14:35 1:15:35 3:52:59

4 Henning, Rasmus 0:19:00 2:13:47 1:16:51 3:53:38

5 Guillaume, Romain 0:19:03 2:14:41 1:17:08 3:54:44

6 Thomas, Jesse 0:20:08 2:16:17 1:15:01 3:55:30

7 Lieto, Chris 0:19:38 2:10:08 1:22:38 3:56:21

8 Vasilyev, Ivan 0:18:51 2:20:09 1:15:55 3:58:32

9 Galindez, Oscar 0:20:50 2:09:59 1:25:40 4:00:53

10 Jammaer, Bert 0:19:19 2:19:46 1:18:28 4:01:24

Rally wrote:

come at me BRO:

Do you know who the Brownlee brothers are?

If not, they are running mid to low 14's off the bike in sprint distance (5k run)

and mid 29's off the bike in olympic distance (10k)

rwhitehead is not too far off...

Not saying they aren't fast, they are damn good runners. But sub 28 is on a whole other level that those guys could not just go do without giving up the tri stuff and focusing on running. Even though it would be doubtful they could get it.

Lance didn't win his first tour.

There are about 4-5 guys who can run 2:40 out there in Hawaii this year.

If he has a 12 minute or more lead off the bike at Hawaii, he may win, but not with less than 10.

I see many here that don't understand triathlon.

I've been doing tri for about a year now. Before that I was at best a zero talent 16 flat 5K type.

People don't understand the difference between a pure run and a triathlon run. You have to SWIM, then BIKE, then try to run!

The swim can kill your bike and the bike and swim can kill your run. These guys are simply in killer shape.

Your body makes some massive changes going from a skinny little distance runner to actually building some muscle from swimming and biking (and then you still have to run with that muscle!).

It's a great sport. I was scared to death of TRI before last year. Now I'm hooked and have zero interest in open run races. Sure I'll still sprinkle a few in, but as a former D3 college runner I'll say I wish I would have started TRI much sooner!

I totally agree with you. Something is wrong with the swim times.

I completely agree with you. I was thinking the same thing.

TriDude wrote:

by the commonly accepted rule 70.3 time x2 + 30min that would make him come in at 8:10 in Hawaii. If he can improve (likely), I can see sub 8 happening for him. That would be great.

I think you're a little off on your prediction. My friends who race IM distance use the formula you wrote, 70.3 x 2 + 30 minutes, as a predictor of potential, however they always tell me "but not in Kona". They tell me it's a rare day that the winds or heat don't play a big factor in Hawaii.

Other Ironman courses, yes...Roth, Austria, Florida, Arizona.

I never got past Half Ironman so can't give any personal experience to back it up, but I have talked to a lot of people who do a lot of Ironmans and they're pretty consistent in this assertation.

Dave Scott went 8:24 in Hawaii the year he turned 40. I would be very impressed if LA raced Hawaii this fall and was in that range.

TriGuy wrote:

One of the greatest endurance dopers in the history of earth runs a 1:17 half, and you start thinking the course was short? Unreal.

Fixed.

Interesting... I read they didn't drug test the top 3 at this tri, yet they randomly tested the 4th-10th place finishers. Can any triathletes respond as to why they would not test the top finishers but the next group down?

no drug testing wrote:

Interesting... I read they didn't drug test the top 3 at this tri, yet they randomly tested the 4th-10th place finishers. Can any triathletes respond as to why they would not test the top finishers but the next group down?

Ironman is run like a corporation, not like an organization. They don't want scandals. They don't really test anyone. No one ever tests positive.