Rupps mask

Say whatever wrote:

Umm 35 degrees is not cold. Give me a break.

When you spend most of the year training in mild Pacific Northwest temps, 35 degrees feels cold. Combine that with all the awful crap in the air in NYC, and a history of pollen allergies...I'm guessing Rupp did the right thing by wearing the mask. His performance sure supports it.

Page 5 on a stupid mask from a guy who didn't even win his race. meanwhile, Shalane finished 3rd at world's and what kind of thread does she get. How abobut the top US man for that matter? How come no one wants to talk about Ben True? Al he did was go represent his country in international competition.

Washingtonian wrote:

When you spend most of the year training in mild Pacific Northwest temps, 35 degrees feels cold. Combine that with all the awful crap in the air in NYC, and a history of pollen allergies...I'm guessing Rupp did the right thing by wearing the mask. His performance sure supports it.

Well you certainly sound like a hick form the Northwest. NYC air is very clean, the city has a natural ventilation system: two rivers on each side of the city and the ocean is only a few miles to the South. You get none of the temperature inversions that trap smoke in a thick fog like you do in Portland.

malmo wrote:

Washingtonian wrote:

When you spend most of the year training in mild Pacific Northwest temps, 35 degrees feels cold. Combine that with all the awful crap in the air in NYC, and a history of pollen allergies...I'm guessing Rupp did the right thing by wearing the mask. His performance sure supports it.

Well you certainly sound like a hick form the Northwest. NYC air is very clean, the city has a natural ventilation system: two rivers on each side of the city and the ocean is only a few miles to the South. You get none of the temperature inversions that trap smoke in a thick fog like you do in Portland.

Apparantly certain kinds of masks actually do warm the air and reduce the drop in FEV1 in people with asthma...

Not saying that his mask did this, but obviously there is some validity to the theory, unlike what you said.

malmo wrote:

Well you certainly sound like a hick form the Northwest. NYC air is very clean, the city has a natural ventilation system: two rivers on each side of the city and the ocean is only a few miles to the South. You get none of the temperature inversions that trap smoke in a thick fog like you do in Portland.

As desperate as you seem for another pissing match, I won't be engaging you in one over NYC air quality, it would be too ridiculous.

kickingit wrote:

Apparantly certain kinds of masks actually do warm the air and reduce the drop in FEV1 in people with asthma...

http://thorax.bmj.com/content/47/6/446.abstract

Not saying that his mask did this, but obviously there is some validity to the theory, unlike what you said.

Perhaps you should read the abstract that you posted? Do you see what they mean by "cold air"? 35-40 degrees F isn't cold air.

"Seven different asthmatic subjects exercised while breathing cold air at -13 degrees C through a dummy or active mask. RESULTS: All subjects found the new mask comfortable to wear. The mean inspired temperature when the mask was used rose to 32.5 (1.4) degrees C when normal subjects breathed room air at 24 degrees C and to 19.1 (2.7) degrees C when they inhaled subfreezing air at -13 degrees C."

Washingtonian wrote:

As desperate as you seem for another pissing match, I won't be engaging you in one over NYC air quality, it would be too ridiculous.

Yes it would be. Obviously a topic you know nothing about.

Conto wrote:

Rupp's a badass and I thought the mask looked badass as well.

Anyone who says otherwise is either insanely jealous or is completely pre-occupied of what other's think about them, which is sad.

So anyone who expresses an opinion different from your own suffers from serious character flaws?

I don't think that the mask looked "badass." I think it made him look like a jackass. Just my opinion. I have similar views about nose expanders, compression socks, magnetic bracelets, magic beads, propeller caps, and probably just about any other contraption that runners affix to their bodies to give them an edge. And I'd hate to see the sport dominated by people running with such accoutrements. I rather like the idea that competitive running requires nothing more than shorts and shoes.

It's perfectly consistent to admire a runner's performance while criticizing his accessories. Moreover, I think such criticisms can be entirely appropriate. Image matters. Rupp can run in a tutu if he wants to, but I wouldn't be thrilled to have that image of my sport.

Perhaps Rupp had a perfectly legitimate medical reason for wearing that mask. I don't know. But it tends to reinforce a certain image that, in my view, is unfortunate.

I'll leave it to you to pick wholes in every little thing. I said the THEORY. How cold is cold enough to effect asthmatics? I'm not sure.

But there are a ton of studies that all show that wearing some kind of mask helps in "cold" weather.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1398-9995.2000.00558.x/abstract

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1398-9995.1995.tb01138.x/abstract

Now we can debate how much it being -10deg vs. 2-5deg or whatever makes a difference. You're not going to find the answer in research as they haven't tested it to my knowledge and you'd also have to take into account the individual physiology of a runner, as everyone will have a different response to the same temperature. For instances, some research shows that warm weather people tend to have more sensitive temperature receptors/response (i.e. they see the response to cold at "warmer" temperatures) than cold weather acclimated people.

But my point was that there is some theory for the use of a mask.

Why is all the talk about Rupp's mask when Ryan Hall ran slow? Rupp is one of the best Americans at 5k and up. He's a baller and doesn't give a shit what he's wearing or what a bunch of message board readers think.

What Conto said. Perfect.

Rupp doesn't give a shit what others say about how he trains, what advantages he has, what he wears, what people think about Al Sal, etc. He just quietly does his job, again and again and again, upping his game and American running, getting better by the year. A gutsy, gutsy runner. He has earned my respect.

Gets in there and battles a World XC champ and Euro champ right down to the end, leaving a host of excellent runners in his wake, throwin' down a 1:00:30 on his first try. Didn't see Meb, Hall, Abdi or anyone else up there.

Rupp is the real deal.

kickingit wrote:

I'll leave it to you to pick wholes in every little thing. I said the THEORY. How cold is cold enough to effect asthmatics? I'm not sure.

But there are a ton of studies that all show that wearing some kind of mask helps in "cold" weather.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1398-9995.2000.00558.x/abstracthttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1398-9995.1995.tb01138.x/abstract

Once again, why do you feel threatened enough to characterize me as "picking []holes in every little thing"? If something is goofy, or just plain damn stupid, I'll say it is. God forbid every high schooler in the country starts wearing the mask! It's bad enough that people buy Breathe Right strips for the same un-scientific superstitious reasons.

And again, the "tons of studies" of which you cited two more is referring to actual cold weather, SUB ZERO WEATHER. EIA in those cases is an actual phenomenon that known. 35-40 degree weather is not "cold" in that sense.

If you are going to cite scientific studies the at least cite some that are germane to the topic here.

Avocado's Number wrote:. I have similar views about nose expanders, compression socks, magnetic bracelets, magic beads, propeller caps, and probably just about any other contraption that runners affix to their bodies to give them an edge. .

Does anyone have, or know of the month an year of the magazine that had the photo of Alberto, Clary and Jim Hill wearing the gas masks?

I think if the young bucks see that photo they'll have an idea behind the nexus to the Hannibel Lector mask.

800 son wrote:

And they are successful. Anybody who is annoyed by this or has a problem with the mask should be shot.

That's actually a little drastic, you psycho.

Better?

Improved respiratory function in EIA patients in refrigerated and ambient climate. More so in refrigerated but still an effect in ambient temperature.

Direct relationship between temperature and asthma response (i.e. it doesn't occur magically at some subzero temperature):

I agree with the breathe right strips. But there's research out there on masks. Just because you haven't looked for it doesn't mean it's not there...

malmo wrote:

Does anyone have, or know of the month an year of the magazine that had the photo of Alberto, Clary and Jim Hill wearing the gas masks?

I think if the young bucks see that photo they'll have an idea behind the nexus to the Hannibel Lector mask.

LOL. I was thinking about the same thing. I don't remember a picture of Clary and Hill wearing that contraption, but I remember Salazar wearing it in an advertisement. I think it was called something like the "PO2 Simulator." As I recall, the idea was that it restricted air intake, thereby reducing the partial pressure of oxygen during running and thus simulating altitude training. Interesting idea, but it never seemed to catch on. Good thing, too, because I wouldn't have wanted to run with one of those things just to feel competitive.

I'm guessing that I saw advertisements for that thing in several issues of Running Times back around 1981 or 1982, when everyone wanted to know Salazar's secrets to success.

Avocado's Number wrote:

I'm guessing that I saw advertisements for that thing in several issues of Running Times back around 1981 or 1982, when everyone wanted to know Salazar's secrets to success.

Actually, I'm thinking that it may have been in the now-defunct magazine called "The Runner," which I believe was sort of merged into Runner's World.

kickingit wrote:

Better?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7458007

Improved respiratory function in EIA patients in refrigerated and ambient climate. More so in refrigerated but still an effect in ambient temperature.

Direct relationship between temperature and asthma response (i.e. it doesn't occur magically at some subzero temperature):

http://jap.physiology.org/content/46/3/467.short

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Not better. Neither abstract indicated anything to address the issue. Keep digging.

Avocado's Number wrote:

Actually, I'm thinking that it may have been in the now-defunct magazine called "The Runner," which I believe was sort of merged into Runner's World.

I think it was Track and Field News. Classic photo.