Solinsky says he'll go after 10,000 WR within the year then backs off pledge

NeedToBreathe wrote:

Solinsky has 8 people in front of him in the 5000 and 8 right on his butt.

I hope they don't dream that they can break the world record for 10,000 or it's going to get really crowded down in the sub 26:20 range:):):):)

Galen is only 10 seconds slower than Solinsky, so I hope he is aiming for at least 26:27 within a year.

Forget about all the other runners with pr's faster than 26:59, they can struggle to "attempt" taking off 10-15 seconds every couple years while Chris has suddenly figured out his training and can now drop ~42 over 25 laps without a hitch.

And Dathan, his 27:20 plus will now put him in the 26:47 range.

You guys are good and really know your stuff. Some of you must be coaches.

Has Jerry been posting under an alias?

My guess is that you are a troll because none of the points you make have anything to do with the words that I wrote.

all true statistically speaking, but he can still dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My guess is that you are stupid because you can't face reality when it strikes you in the face. With a name like deleuze, I think I am right. Who says anyone has to respond to your words. Are you the LR God?

NeedToBreathe wrote:

My guess is that you are stupid because you can't face reality when it strikes you in the face. With a name like deleuze, I think I am right. Who says anyone has to respond to your words. Are you the LR God?

I thought you were replying to me because you literally replied to me.

In and of itself I have no problem with what CS said. However, for someone who says he is only focused on winning, he sure talks a lot about record setting. It makes me doubt how much he really wants to win races. A gold medal time at the WCs could very well be 27 minutes or slower. Focus on that reality, not the world record time.

Who said he can't dream??????? He's not being realistic, as my post points out. Let's talk about the 2 hour marathon now, the one that will never happen in our lifetime, if at all. Then the 1:50 marathon. Then the 1:40 marathon. Understanding me now? Mr. Solinsky ran great, will improve and may be a nice guy, but he's not running 26:17 for 10,000, no way. How dumb are you people?

If you set the world record I'm pretty sure you'll also win the race.

I don't think that was his point. As a matter of a fact I'm sure it wasn't. Does that make you feel smart with a post like that or dumb as a box of rocks? You have my pity.

ryan foreman wrote:A gold medal time at the WCs could very well be 27 minutes or slower. Focus on that reality, not the world record time.

there is little comfort in this aim

winning in 27-flat will almost certainly have top 3 going ~ 52/53 in last lap

to do that you need intrinsic ability of at least ~ 26'37 - 26'41

if he wants to win gold in expected tactical race, he'll still need < 26'40 ability

Aim for the moon, you miss you are among the stars.

ventolin^3 wrote:

there is little comfort in this aim

winning in 27-flat will almost certainly have top 3 going ~ 52/53 in last lap

to do that you need intrinsic ability of at least ~ 26'37 - 26'41

if he wants to win gold in expected tactical race, he'll still need < 26'40 ability

Ok, vent, let's turn that in reverse. What intrinsic ability does your calculator say a guy who closes a 26:59 in 1:56/56 has? My guess is around 26:50? If he's already at that level, then he's only got 10 seconds to go to get where he wants. It doesn't seem unreasonable to hope to improve 10 seconds in a year.

Bottom line, that one 10k he ran was of a high enough quality, and ran in a manner, that would often be good enough for a medal. Remember, usually only the winner runs a 52/53 on the last lap. Usually silver and bronze run a 58 and 60.

I'm not saying he's a lock for a medal, most likely he'll end up losing out in a kick and finishing 5th like he did in all those 5ks this summer. But if he can improve just a little bit, and duplicate that race (and if there's one thing he was this summer besides great, it's consistent), he could be a contender.

NeedToBreathe wrote:

Solinsky has 8 people in front of him in the 5000 and 8 right on his butt.

I hope they don't dream that they can break the world record for 10,000 or it's going to get really crowded down in the sub 26:20 range:):):):)

Actually, I'd hope that anybody who is in the top 20 in the world does dream they can break the world record. They may know it's unlikely and maybe not even believe they can do that, but I hope they do dream that. And I bet most of them are.

Remember, before Geb took his first 10k world record, it stood at 26:52. Did anybody really think he would have it at 26:22 less than 4 years later? Obviously that kind of improvement is rare, but it's not impossible.

Remember that interview with Tergat where Tergat said he thinks about the world record every time he goes out to train. I see that as one of the main differences between Solinsky and the losers that are doing most of the posting here.

Two years before Bekele set the present WR, his 10000 time was about the same as Solinsky's this year, and that isn't counting that Solinsky could have gone faster (Rupp just isn't fast enough to be Solinsky's pacemaker). Also, Solinsky's present 3000 PR is FASTER than Bekele two years before the record, so he has the aerobic capacity he needs if he can get the RE to go with it. You can't say with a straight face that it can't be done (in 2 years, not 1) because it HAS been done that way.

The other reason for going for the record is the difficulty of winning the gold in 10000 or 5000. In international championships, the 5000 requires competing in heats, which gives a sizeable advantage to kickers. His chance is better in a straight 10000 without heats (and that's the reason I don't think he should be trying the 5000 in major championships) but, still, if Bekele's sitting on his butt with 1 lap to go...

If you can get your aerobic engine and RE good enough to challenge the record, all you have to be able to do is run an even paced flat out effort over 25 laps. You don't have to worry about trying to beat a guy who can run the last one in 52.

The thing many people in this thread do not recognize is that Chris Solinsky is really Bob Kennedy 15 years later. Kennedy ran 12:58.21 and 7:30.84. Kennedy also ran 27:37 when he was well past his prime, 8 years after his 12:58.21. There is a good chance that Kennedy in 1996 could have run under 27:10. Solinsky, like Kennedy, has NO chance to set a world record at 10,000 meters. In fact, I would assert that Kennedy likely had a better chance than Solinsky at ever owning the 10,000 meter world record, as Kennedy ran 12:58.21 when the world record was 26:43. Nine days later, it was 26:38. And Kennedy had a better chance than Solinsky of owning the 5000 meter world record, as in that very race that Kennedy ran 12:58.21, Geb lowered his own world record from 12:44.39 to 12:41.86.

I might add that I have nothing but admiration for Solinsky and Kennedy, and that goals are wonderful, but morons chiming in that anybody who is intelligent enough to point out that Solinsky will NEVER hold the wr at 10,000 meters should be categorized as negative and haters only manifests the deficiency in their analytical skills.

Dude I'm only 16 seconds off the world record for 400, you really think I can make it!? LOL

weenerDrizzle wrote:

Are you kidding me? Imagine YOU were 40 seconds off the world record. You'd be thinking about how to get there every single day.

Silly? Please.

I'm only 39 seconds off the world record in the mile, it's not that exciting.

Seeing as how he debuted with a 26:59, I think Chris can definitely run in the mid to low 26:40s right now if he's in a really fast European race one of these days. I think if everything went perfect he could run in the 26:30s. As for the world record, call me when we get in the 26:30s at least and then we'll start to talk about the insanity of running back to back 13:08s.

chet wrote:... morons chiming in that anybody who is intelligent enough to point out that Solinsky will NEVER hold the wr at 10,000 meters should be categorized as negative and haters only manifests the deficiency in their analytical skills.

No one did this. No one categorized anyone who doesn't believe this as a hater.

Here's what happened. A few people said: what's the big deal--the guy was thinking about running a WR. Then these folks got dragged over the coals for being unrealistic and naive and "morons."

That's what happened.

deleuze wrote:

chet wrote:... morons chiming in that anybody who is intelligent enough to point out that Solinsky will NEVER hold the wr at 10,000 meters should be categorized as negative and haters only manifests the deficiency in their analytical skills.

No one did this. No one categorized anyone who doesn't believe this as a hater.

Actually, they did:

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JimJamesrunner wrote:

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Deleuze, you're obviously one of the morons I was referring to. It must be humiliating for you to have attempted to correct me, and then found yourself so utterly exposed as an ignoramus.