Federal judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional- Yes!

The TP/GOP is using paranoia to kill what we as a nation have done before during my career. We downsized the military and Aerospace industry in the 1980s after the collapse of the USSR. We automated businesses from the 1960s and on with computers and internet. HCR/HIR should be part of simple evolutionary process for efficiency and cost savings. But the TP/GOP has turned HCR/HIR into a ridiculous demonstration of their utter stupidity and lack of regard for the American people.

Paranoia wrote:

The TP/GOP is using paranoia to kill what we as a nation have done before during my career. We downsized the military and Aerospace industry in the 1980s after the collapse of the USSR. We automated businesses from the 1960s and on with computers and internet. HCR/HIR should be part of simple evolutionary process for efficiency and cost savings. But the TP/GOP has turned HCR/HIR into a ridiculous demonstration of their utter stupidity and lack of regard for the American people.

The utter stupidity is these liberal wack jobs who cling to the idea that a massive overhaul of our healhcare system under full government control is the only answer. All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments. Contrary to your miniscule thinking, the GOP has offered some of these these alternatives; however, Pelosi and Reid never allowed this to reach floor debates:

1. Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs).

2. Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits.

3. Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able use that insurance wherever we live. Health insurance should be portable.

4. Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.

5. Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.

6.  Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. How many people know the total cost of their last doctor's visit and how that total breaks down? What other goods or services do we buy without knowing how much they will cost us?

7. Enact Medicare reform. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and responsibility.

8. Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

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Hospital stay in an ICU is $1500 to $3000 per day(guessing)? Nobody wants to die but who wants to saddle their heirs (and potentially society) with huge bills?

Out of town on vacation my daughter came down with Strep throat. Her primary care refused to write a script over the phone so I had to take her to the ER. $1200 F'ing dollars!! For a throat culture!?! Insurance covered $350. I could've flown her home and back first class to see her primary care doc for that price! I'm still fighting it.

Any of you nitwits that don't want universal health care feel free to send me a check to cover the thieves I have deal with.

Requesting a change for the thread title to: Poor people won't be able to have health care again--Yes!

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

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Actually it is EXTREMELY elastic. Drug companies spend billions of dollars every year on ads like this

There are industries that spend a ton in advertising that have inelastic demand for their products (cigarettes, for example), so that doesn't exactly follow.

Bad argument.

Everyone uses toilet paper (I hope); advertising is aimed at making one choose Brand X over Brand Y.

BUT, not everybody with "bad cholesterol" chooses to solve that problem, or chooses to use a statin to attempt to do so.

Not everybody with depressive symptoms opts for drug therapy.

Not everyone with ED chooses to take Viagra, or Cialis, etc.

And so on.

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Hospital stay in an ICU is $1500 to $3000 per day(guessing)? Nobody wants to die but who wants to saddle their heirs (and potentially society) with huge bills?

Out of town on vacation my daughter came down with Strep throat. Her primary care refused to write a script over the phone so I had to take her to the ER. $1200 F'ing dollars!! For a throat culture!?! Insurance covered $350. I could've flown her home and back first class to see her primary care doc for that price! I'm still fighting it.

Any of you nitwits that don't want universal health care feel free to send me a check to cover the thieves I have deal with.

In a Free America you could walk into 7-Eleven at 2AM and buy antibiotics, heroin, and Häagen-Dazs.

In your America, you'd need The Obammessiah's Holy Writ of Permission to procure said items, from a Federal Store, stocked by postal-worker like drones, who will tell they are out of all three, but may have a new shipment in in 8 years.

As you probably have read in the paper today, Congressman Kanjorski's nephew Russell's company got a $400,000,000. tax dollar loan. This on top of a grant (a grant is just a free handout) of $9 million to nephew Russell's company, Cornerstone Technologies and also on top of $3 million grant to the same company that just got the 400 million.

To be fair, the $3 million grant was given to the company shortly before Russell was hired. I am absolutely certain (holy shit, the sarcasm, it burns) that the company getting a 3 million dollar handout from Russell's uncle had nothing to do with Russell being hired as a vice president of finance and marketing. I'm not saying anything funny went on but just picture that job interview. I imagine it went something like;

Interviewer: What qualifications do you possess that qualify you to be our vice president of finance and marketing?

Russell: well, let's see, I got a federal grant from my uncle, Congressman Paul Kanjorski, in the amount of $9 million dollars and started a company called Cornerstone Technologies.

Interviewer: I see, and what did your business do?

Russell: Nothing, we never made or marketed a product and I bankrupted the business in a few months.

Interviewer: Hmmm, sounds like you don't know jackshit about marketing or managing finances. Please tell me again what makes you think you are qualified for this position?

Russell: did you catch the part about my Uncle Paulie being a congressman? or the part about the $9 million?

Interviewer: No, er, mmm, no I didn't but you see Russ, the problem is the company is a little short of money to hire any new applicants right now. Should that change in the immediate future you seem to be the ideal candidate for this position.

While that interview is strictly a construct of my imagination, I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that those thoughts have crossed many minds. Flash forward to this spring and our hero Russell is in for his annual performance review (sorry, it's my over-active imagination again) and I can easily picture this conversation;

Russ's boss: Russ, times are bad, the economy is in the crapper, and frankly, you just don't seem to be working out.

Russ: did I mention that my uncle is friends with President Obama?

Russ's Boss: no, you didn't

Russ: well, just between us, in the beginning of summer, I heard that this company may be in line to get an almost zero interest loan from the federal government that as long as the comapny goes bankrupt, it won't have to be paid back.

Russ's boss: How much money will they loan us?

Russ:only a few hundred million

Russ's boss: that will buy a shitload of golden parachutes!! but how do we get to keep the money without paying it back?

Russ: assuming I am still employed, that would be my job and I am an expert at that. Did I ever tell you whatever happened to all those machines I bought with my first $9 million? well there's a bowling alley back home with a huge basement......................................

Is it enough already? Are we going to keep this monumental douchenozzle in office? Please lord, I hope the answer is no. Congressman Kanjorski, please consider your gift of $412 million of our tax money to your nephew your severance package.

You effing retard. The gov't enacts laws for us. We vote them in to do that. NIST and Health Depts are writing the standards and procedures now with industry to implement HCR. Telecomm stds, Medical Protocols have been done that way for ages.

The ICU for my dad's stay for heart issues was $5K per day.

All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments.

When you start with a lie it devalues the remainder of your post.

My wife has brain cancer.

I take her toMD Anderson..well, lately it's been every 4 weeks..

I have great insurance.

I know that many do not and are dying unecessarily..at least aren't living as long as they could (I mean with GBM. it's all terminal anyway)

Unless you are from Texas, you won't get any help financially if your loved one is diagnosed with GBM.

There are no places in Indiana that specialize in this form of cancer...they are YEARS behind

Throw some avastin at it and see what happens.

I've seen it first hand and there is something wrong with this and it is the norm...not the exception!

Unless your a Kennedy, nobody can afford health care..good health care if you are diagnosed with something catastrophic......

Hey. Fake Real UncleB.

Would you post your stupid sh*t under a name that you make up yourself?

Many letsrun posters are dumb enuff to think you are me, although anyone with half a brain would know that the Real UncleB would never use a nancyboy term like "douchenozzle".

The law was over-reaching. The system was not in need of such draconian change, but of regulatory changes like tort reform and allowing companies to compete for customers across state lines.

Folks, when is the federal government going to figure out that they do not have enough Chinese governments available to keep lending us money. Enough of the deficit spending. For all of the problems Clinton had, at least he allowed the deficit to lessen instead of increase like the morons we have in office now. We are going into bankruptcy and headed towards NINTH in the world in economic terms in the next 10 years. Add into this the fact that our kids are morons and do not want to push themselves to learn the required skills to compete in business and we will fall even lower in the next 20 years.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

We are doomed if we do not address glaring problems with our current direction.

We are falling behind in education3

We are falling behind in economic strength.

We are deserting our Judeo-christian heritage.

There is a definite link between all three.

Judeo-Christian heritage?

I remember when the right wing nuts talke of our Christian heritage.

Why does nobody ever talk of the Judeo-Muslim tradition? Islam came out of Judaism, just as Christianity did.

you mean Iknaton-Zorastrian-Judeo heritage. Iknaton for Black Egypt was 1st, then Zoraster in Iran for the Caucasoids was 2nd, then Judaism was invented for the Semitic mixed race mutts. Black Jesus and White Mohammed were born much later.

WSJ Article wrote:

5. Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.

Tort reform sounds great, but it is a very small cost of healthcare. Tort reform would have little effect on prices.

1.I dont know who actually started the Hippie movement and who designed or invented the logo and the roots/meaning of the logo.

2. But, hippies fight for Peace No War seems captured the masses globally.From US, Europe and South East Asia.

3. Some people ( the international bankers and financiers ) dont like it, because they cannot profiteering from war shall world against wars.

4. So, how to stop this masses? It would be difficult isint it. So, they infiltrate them by drugs. They developed and produced new drugs in labs and distributed freely amongst the hippies via their agents so hippies becomes weak, along its killing process.

5.They used their controlled corporations mainstream media to potray Hippies with associative qualities that they planted within such as drugs, and implied the image that peace and love equivalent to drugs, and hippies sacred chakras had been attacked through peace and love equivalent free sex equivalent desease. All despite the original peace and love equivalent to Stop the War , Peace and No War.

6. The domino impact of mainstream media gave younger generation in the 90s or even now, that Hippie is fashionable trends. They think Hippie is what been potrayed by mainstrem media. Its a fashion trends, its the outlook.

7. Hippies were also been manipulated in order to create and sychronize the world cultures and belief not to mentioned to implant the trend called ‘no religion’ as a start. Planning for the New World Order had been there as early as early 60s.

8. These were executed by maipulation of music bands during that time into the birth of strategic global pop-cultures.

9. Then they organised and funded a Hippie trail from London to Nepal en-route Iran and Afghanistan was then appeared in the scene.

10. Beatles were well been manipulated in this effort.They received bitish queen recognition which being part of new world order agenda along with international bankers and financiers.

11. Reports on Hippie trails on their detail closed encounter and experience in Central Asia especially in Turkey and Afghanistan with taught of Islam and Sunnah were scrapped off by mainstream media except the little final destination of Nepal.

12.Something went wrong with the expedition.Mainly because hippie who pursue with global travel see things.

13. When those hippies came back to their home country, they continue fight and correcting what had been went wrong to the very beautiful world. They started to exposed what the international bankers and financiers along with their new world order agenda; to the public and masses.

14. Those who came back exposed the above got attacked through discredition by mainstream media.

15. Those who came back and continue become a puppet of new world order will get praised by mainstream media.

16. John Lennon got murdered.Got shot.

17. Reggaemannec taken place probably later.

18. The same stories or cycle taken place too.

19. Once the exposure had been taken place and captured masses, then it would be bad for new world order.

20. Bob Marley been poisoned , murdered.

Who is the international financiers/bankers with new world order agenda? zionist illuminati.

Do your research.

I'm still waiting for a response to this, especially from the drumbeat of lefties who say over and over and over and over again (though they know it not to be true) that there are no ideas from the right. Well here you go, free market ideas to reform, improve, make less costly (Obamacare only does the first) healthcare for ALL Americans!

Fishing Instructor wrote:

The free market ideal presumes that all the consequences fall back on the individual, that is, there is no societal interest in an individual's health.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

Not true.

Classic examples include quarantines and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

re: pollution.

Please learn a bit about what you are attempting to critique before attempting a critique.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but it seems like you've reinforced the notion that there is a societal interest in some individual behaviors which was my main point.