Finally ELECTRIC CARS are HERE: Nissan announces LEAF Electric Car Roll-Out Plans (ZERO MPG, Zero Emissions, $25K)

Yes, I already knew that you replying to your posts.

Stay with what you know. Innovation is not for you.

Yee haa!! Your grandchild can now drive a pussy car!! The Pussyfication of America!! I'm 49 years old and I am damn glad I'm not a kid anymore. I'll take my fossil fuel gulping muscle car over these weenie mobiles any day! Jesus, today's enviro wussies make me want to vomit!! Where the hell are the MEN in today's America?

Hah Hah wrote:

Yohmama's GM Volt costs $10K more

The Volt's lease payment is the same as the Leaf. The Leaf's down payment is $2000 while the Volt's is $2500.

Ok looking back, it does look like "An Engineer" and me are the same person. We are not. Apologies to "An Engineer," im just latching on to his arguments.But in other news, I don't think your baiting is going to work much longer. Have a nice day.

Anti-Engineer wrote:

Yes, I already knew that you replying to your posts.

Stay with what you know. Innovation is not for you.

Anti-Engineer,

You are guilty of a logical fallacy. You asked An Engineer to prove that something didn't happen. You can not prove an event or an assertion is false, only that an event did occur or an assertion is true.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15641840?nclick_check=1

neither sounds that bad. for the volt, quick charging stations can 30 min for an 80 percent charge, higher chargers (240v) take 3/4 hrs, and you can set up an automatic system to recharge at night. zero to sixty in eight seconds is quite a bit faster than the cars I've been driving. 300 mile range with the electric/gas, and yes, eligible for a big fed tax break (not california).

Yohmama's GM Volt costs $10K more, isn't Zero Emissions, it doesn't qualify for many tax breaks. Yohmama wasted $100B on GM welfare. What a bozo Yohmama is. Plus with his Middle East genocide, Yohmama is a one term wonder.

The Leaf is 40% cheaper than the Volt. OMG, it's another Saturn flop for GM. The VOLT is dead on arrival. Nissan will be cutting the cost next year anytrher $5k. GM will never catch up. Toyota and Honda are close to shipping millions of swappable battery EVs and that will put pressure on Nissan and sink the Volt. Damn !

the MEN in america should be the ones protecting this planet for their children and their children's children you idiot. It takes a real man to drive a souped up muscle car, tell that to Danica Kirkpatrick haha

I'm highly interested in how you arrived at $2,500. Can you describe your calculations?

[As an Industrial Engineer please be aware that EVs have a totally different Cost of Production Curve than Fossil Fuel Vehicles. The Leaf is listed at $25,000 after US tax rebates. I would expect Nissan can cut the retail price of a new Leaf EV to $2500 in 10 years as battery technology improves, leveling off at that price point.]

Dead on Arrival wrote:

The Leaf is 40% cheaper than the Volt.

The Volt's lease payment is the same as the Leaf. The Leaf's down payment is $2000 while the Volt's is $2500.

ltrman wrote:

Yee haa!! Your grandchild can now drive a pussy car!! The Pussyfication of America!! I'm 49 years old and I am damn glad I'm not a kid anymore. I'll take my fossil fuel gulping muscle car over these weenie mobiles any day! Jesus, today's enviro wussies make me want to vomit!! Where the hell are the MEN in today's America?

That's all fine and good, but the Tesla Roadster can do 0-60 in under 4s. Then there's the White Zombie, which is a 1972 Datsun 1200 that John Wayland (in Portland, OR) converted to electric that has a 0-60 of 2.9s and has completed a 1/4 mile in 10.4s. The car also happens to be street legal, which means he can drive it too and from the track as well as race. Here's a video from last weekend where it beat a Nissan Skyline GT-R.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVTIpS5zb4

@EdP, you don't understand logical fallacy.

logical fallacy: An Engineer claimed that the oil industry have no interest in the automotive industry. He forget about the service stations. Who owns them? Car companies? Oil companies?

An Engineer sees the answer he wants to see. Anything that challenges that, he sees as a threat. He did not take into account the production cycle, the cost if use cycle, and the end of life cycle. This is partly called cradle-to-cradle thinking. Holistic cradle-to-cradle is it really should be.

Anyway, it's fun playing here with you trolls. Keep up the good work.

You used a lot of nics in this thread. Your baiting stopped working first. Your post are so similar to An Engineer you are one and the same. I agree that it is time for you to move on to another thread.

Enjoy your day.

Volt can't be doa for a car that can do full time duty, because of the gas backup power, unlike the leaf, which is cheaper without that but also cannot be a person's only car w/100M max. However, the following year's Volt is supposed to be significantly better than the initial one.

Jesus Christ. No need to double post for that. I'm not "An Engineer," he would probably offended that you thought we were the same. Not trying to perpetuate this inanity, but I at least need to set the record straight. I usually go by "Just Thinking" but I was too lazy to type it, so I just spammed letters on the keyboard. Sorry for the confusion.

http://www.atlantichydrogen.com/

efficient hydrogen generation with a substantially positive yield

This article from liberal Slate suggests that the $7500 tax credits for electrics amount to tax cuts for the rich since the average buyer has a household income of $114,000.

Moreover the article says that shiploads of loans and so-called 'stimulus' grants went to various auto makers to help finance the electric cars.

I have to wonder whether this will help, or actually stunt, development of the electric car. When the government coddles and babies an entire industry, does it get stronger or weaker? I once heard a biologist explain that the elk was such a strong and magnificent creature was actually because of eons of predation by wolves.

For the time being a plugin hybrid seems the best choice; long range with gas, overnight electric charging at home. The Volt offers that option.

On the other hand, the Leaf can be driven in a carpool lane by a single driver, at least in California. California will also offer a $5,00 tax credit for the Leaf, but nothing for the Volt.

If you buy a Volt or a Leaf install a 240 volt recharger. It will cut the recharge time in half. Four hours for a Volt, and 8 hours for a Leaf. The Leaf does offer partial fast charging. You can get about 30 miles with 30 minutes of charging at 240 volt, and 15 miles with 5 minutes of charging.

For single car owners, a Volt sound good solution. For two car drivers a Leaf sounds like a great second. The problem with the Leaf, with two drivers, is who gets to drive it to work and use the carpool lane.

http://www.atlantichydrogen.com/bridge_h2_future

interesting video. my father's company