Wheating in the Big Boys mile at Pre

du du du da da da wrote:

How did Wheating do the last time he was in an international competition? Oh ya, dead last in the 800 heats.

Well i may be alone in this BUT i'm thinking over 2 years Wheating MAY have made a few improvements...maybe. Not sure. How did the 3 other Americans in this race do in that same meet? They seem to have moved on rather nicely. At least I think so.

Honestly its a tough call how Wheating will do. I think he can mix it up with the Americans in the race pretty well and I think him beating Lagat is a pretty safe bet given how Lagat's 1500 looked earlier this year, nor would i be surprised if he outkicked Leo and Lomong. However, he could just as easily blow up. My best guess is a 3:52-3:53, but by running out of the back and picking off straglers.

Wheating gets in the Bowerman Mile......

How pissed is Will Leer???

I hope he does really well and that I eat my words. I just think these predictions of 3:49 and him "mixing it up" with this field are crazy with the facts we have now. He roasted NCAA competition and is a 3:37/1:44ish guy. That does not make him competitive in this field. Again, hopefully he surprises...but regardless of how awesome people think Wheating is, being competitive in this race will be a great breakthrough.

People are saying there's a high chance he'll outkick Lagat, Lomong, and/or Manzano? That's doubtful. Lagat deserves a lot more respect considering he holds gold, silver, and bronze medals for the 1500. Lomong was 8th at last years WC, and his PR is almost 5 seconds better than Wheating's. Manzano has run under 3:37 many many times. For Wheating to beat one or more of these guys would be HUGE, not a given.

Wheating can run 3:51 and be the fourth American.

idhavrtasay wrote:

Wheating gets in the Bowerman Mile......

How pissed is Will Leer???

As pissed as this:

Mens 1500m Section 1 Name Yr School Finals H# Pts

1 Wheating, Andrew 12 Oregon 3:37.83a 1

2 Leer, Will OTC Elite 3:38.68a 1

3 Emanuel, Lee New Mexico 3:38.79a 1

4 Acosta, A.J. 11 Oregon 3:39.44a 1

5 Mickowski, John US Military Acad 3:39.90a 1

6 Pifer, Stephen OTC Elite 3:40.63a 1

Not disagreeing with what you said, but I would add that I don't think Leo could go 1:44 and that Wheatins 3:37's were simply victories, not time trials.

3:37 at regionals, easily outrunning a quality field including another 3:37 man says a lot. Consider he was doubling and simply qualifying for NCAA's and not laying it all out there.

Keep in mind, all due respect to Ulrey, but he went 3:35 in a time trial race and Wheating really appeared to be in another league in their matchup on the DMR.

Also keep in mind that his own teammates have run 3:36 and 3:39 and they basically concede that Wheating has their number 9 out 10 races. Which basically means he needs to have a pretty bad day for a 3:36 guy to beat him.

du du du da da da wrote:

How did Wheating do the last time he was in an international competition? Oh ya, dead last in the 800 heats.

I'm sure you realize that getting to the Olympics for a sophomore who peaked for NCAA's was already a shocker. That NCAA season was the season they realized how good he was, it's not like they started out in March and planned for an Olympic final. They started out in March not even knowing if he'd qualify for NCAA's. You simply can't peak in early June and then carry that peak for 3 more months, especially as a teenager.

he didn't finish "dead last". i believe he was 4th in his heat.

and to add wrote:

he didn't finish "dead last". i believe he was 4th in his heat.

Correct:

800 Metres

The XXIX Olympic Games 4 h 1:47.05 Beijing (National Stadium) 20/08/2008

Perspectivation wrote:

and to add wrote:

he didn't finish "dead last". i believe he was 4th in his heat.

Correct:

800 Metres

The XXIX Olympic Games 4 h 1:47.05 Beijing (National Stadium) 20/08/2008

Thank you for checking, I am a bit lazy. And your posts are always worth the read.

webby wrote:

Wheating can run 3:51 and be the fourth American.

With all due respect to Bernard Lagat, his best days at this event are behind him. Manzano blew him out of the water in NYC, and both Wheating (IMO) and Lomong are capable of beating Manzano. People are talking about Wheating getting embarrassed by this field, but I'm honestly more worried about Lagat.

Does anyone really think that if the two (Wheating and Lagat) are you close with 150 Lagat will outkick him?

how stupid are you? where was wheating when lagat won bronze last year?

Yes, Lagat kicked his way to third in last year's World Championships at 1500 and has shown fitness two weeks ago with a 12:54.

How are they going to run away from him?

enjoy this moment.

this has the potential to be an epic race. probably early in the year for a super (sub 3:48) time but a preview of the american mile future. will one break 3:50? best to them all!

comparer wrote:

If you had to wager on 2010 Andrew Wheating or 2001 Alan Webb, who would you choose? Seems like a no brainer - Wheating. Double NCAA champion, 1:45 guy. Hell, he might be a 1:44 guy who knows. The man runs fast time in championship races, not rabbited affairs.

Webb was a HS beast, but not a 1:44/1:45, double NCAA champ-level HS beast.

No way Wheating runs slower than 3:53.

In the same race, I'd definitely bet on the 2010 Wheating over the 2001 Webb. I think you make a good point, but I'm not sure the comparison is completely accurate. Webb definitely caught lightning in a bottle. Will Wheating run a solid race or the best race up to this point in his career? Webb was able to go out around 1:58 and still be in contact with most of the pack. I think Wheating will have to go out faster to be in any kind of contact. I see it as a question of whether or not Wheating can hold onto the pace and finish well. I don't see him getting a chance to run the same race Webb ran in 2001.

verstehst du? wrote:

Not to sound like a bigot, but it is nice to see white American-born entrant in the field. I am sure this is not lost on the vested parties. Prior to Wheating's entry, all of the three "Americans" were born outside of the US and not one entrant was white. We all know this is a business and I think we need to look beyond the PRs and realize this is a smart business decision, esp. since Webb appears to be all done. This sport needs a miler with whom the wealthiest demographic (read: white) can identify. Let's see where this goes.

manzano was born in the usa

and while i have some issues with how lagat came to hold our records, you are, in fact, a bigot

toro wrote:

Yes, Lagat kicked his way to third in last year's World Championships at 1500 and has shown fitness two weeks ago with a 12:54.

How are they going to run away from him?

Go watch the video of the NYC Grand Prix (a week after the 5k American record FYI). That's how.

Actually, the last time I checked at least, Dolores Hidalgo, Guanajuato, Mexico was not a part of the USA.

So the point still stands: prior to Wheating's entry there was no American-born "American" --- and no white guy to speak of --- in this race. From a $$$ point of view, his presence is a not surprising. And, while this administration is trying to "spread the wealth", white people still drive the revenues of athletic companies.

Thanks though. Your response was terribly fun!

Vin is great college coach as most would agree including his athletes. Wheaties has got figure out what will work best for him , OTC or ? He needs these big races to start the process. Lets hope he rests post Pre and gets over to Europe for the last few races to gain some knowledge.

Pre meet ? If they turn it into a kickers race , watch out , hard from the gun , good luck Andrew.