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im just really blown away by the f***ed up people in this world. with the east coast full of pathetic "emo's" crying that no one understands them, and mad cause mommy wont let them peirce their lip....they think its ok to talk shit about a human being who had no idea she had testes inside her abdomin?
i think all the pieces of shit saying she is a man, need to be stripped naked so the whole world can see how small their dicks are, have us all laugh, poke prod and sneer at it, and then tell you how you tried to scam the world into thinking your really a man.
"look at that sad thing, haha he...i mean she thought that was a penis? what a dumbass, that is a horribly deformed clit at best, that thing needs to apologize to the world for being a freak"
assholes
i agree with spencer wrote:
like midgets or autism.
Hahahahahahahah midgets are awesome!!! Hahahahaha ha ahah ha...sign...what were we talking about?
midget kicker wrote:
Hahahahahahahah midgets are awesome!!! Hahahahaha ha ahah ha...sign...what were we talking about?
I meant "sigh"
yeah its all funny isnt it, maybe you get cursed and all your children have abnormalities and then you sit back and watch the heartless assholes of this world laugh at them
your post really isn't even worth responding to, I can refute with one simple pointwhere in the world did my post imply i hate her? I'm waitinghell where did i say i have something against hergiven our two posts, I think it is quite clear who is the one with issues
i agree with spencer wrote:
you my friend are a piece of shit, this isnt some fraud or hoax or some sceme by caster. the people in SA are just like you, heartless peices of shit.
she is a women and not cross dresser, she has a vagina. if she never ran track would you hate her still? imagine if you have kids (prob not cause your some skinny ass 18:50 5k emo fag, that will never have the courage to talk to a girl, let alone have sex with one) but lets assume one day you do.
you have a baby girl, well from what you can see with your eyes, ie. she has a vagina and no penis or scrotum. you love her with all your heart. as she gets older you notice she isnt femanine like the other girls her age, but seems more like a boy, and later has physical attributes of a male. you didnt raise her and "think she was a girl" to lie, you raised her as a girl because she was born to your wife looking like a baby girl.
say this is america, but you didnt have the great medical insurance to check out your baby girl and just assumed she was a little different, like midgets or autism. now she has a vagina and pisses like other girls, so you going to make her try out for the boys basketball team? and when parents say she is a man and yell hurtful things at her during bball games, what are you going to do?
well if your a real man you will stand up for your daughter, stand up for your child no matter how complex things are.
you have a penis, and a scrotum, when you looked in the mirror naked as a little boy, you looked like other little boys. think about that you piece of shit, now imagine if you had looked at your self and you had a vagina, and you looked at your sisters, would you think you were a little boy or a little girl?
you are a heartless, shallow piece of shit, and you should think about being caster for a second, or imagine if she was your sister, or your daughter. you would want to see her succeed, and she showed talent, and coaches assured you she would be alright, you stuck your neck out, trusted in other people, and they drug your daughters name through the shit and filth that is the shallow world we all live in. think about it
PanAfrican Athletics wrote:
The high testosterone level DOES give her an advantage but it's a natural advantage so she should be allowed to compete.
This is great news. Now all gay men can compete as women from now on. Especially the ones from South Africa!
Woo Hoo!!!
Yes, I don't think Caster did anything wrong. It is not cheating or criminal to be born with a genetic defect. In her case the defect was an advantage but it was ASA and the coaches close to her who capitalized on it.
I'm sure as long as she has been involved in sports she has heard the rumblings regarding athletic performance and outward appearance. But she is 18 years old and from a sheltered village not all that medically advanced so she is not to be blamed for her affliction.
Rescinding the results or even banning SA from future competition is not realistic either. Caster is without blame, ASA is not.
The runners who did not advance cannot be changed and the races cannot be rerun. But I do think that Caster should keep her medal, remain champion, and 2 thru 4 be awarded gold, silver, and bronze and the results updated. Yes, the medal ceremony is gone for them.
These championships likely had competitors from many countries who knowingly took PED's. Altitude tents????
This is a unique circumstance. But Caster is still innocent of any wrongdoing, IMO. Banning SA from future competition is wrong as it punishes athletes. The ones to be punishes are the ASA and SA individuals who knowingly allowed this to happen. Every one of them should receive a ban from any involvement in athletics of any kind. The term should be equal to the stiffest penalties imposed for supplying or using PED's.
1) Caster not only "lacks" a phallus , she also has a vagina or did you forget? (Caster had several doping tests done and had to have peed IN FRONT of the "agents" if they saw anything "visibly" abnormal they would most certainly report it!)
How are the current rules written in terms of sample 'delivery'? Do they require that the doping control official actually stare at someone's crotch over the course of the urine stream entering the tube/cup, or is it normal practice to just give a quick glance to make sure no one's trying to smuggle in something in their underwear and then step to the side?
I wouldn't be surprised if agents are told to not look too closely in the name of athlete dignity, and I wouldn't consider a visual vertfication to have much accuracy in those cases, especially when you're talking someone who is sitting on a toilet, leaving most of that region out of view. (pubic hair can also hide external markers)
At least (s)he has a conscious. Ritz, Hall, Symmonds, Rupp, etc. just keep running and injecting.
My two cents:
Semenya is 18: the age of majority. She's not a child. Please let's not keep recycling the crap about how she's a sensitive flower, a Blanche DuBois of rural South Africa, and all the cruel people are being so mean to her. She's an adult athlete, competing on a world stage. If we're all feminists--and I trust that we are--then it should be obvious that all the talk about needing to protect this tender flower named Caster is condescending, antifeminist bulls--t.
The fact that highly intimate details of her sexual identity are being splashed across the world news is unpleasant, but unfortunately its also necessary. There was a prima fascie case for...well, for a significant problem here. She looks visibly masculine in many and various ways AND she destroyed the rest of the field. Thus the tests. Athletes ARE their bodies. And athletics on this sort of level--as opposed to unregulated small-time stuff in the countryside--depends on three things being taken as sacred:
1) no PEDs
2) women and men run in separate events
3) distances and times are measured as accurately as the technology allows
Anything that compromises these three sacred trusts of professional athletics is a dangerous thing indeed, and is therefore taken extremely seriously. The third item, by and large, has been well regulated in international competition; in the rare case when there's a flagrant error, such as barriers of the wrong height being used in a women's steeplechase event (as I recall), people go nuts, and rightly so.
We all know how challenging it has been to hold the line on #1. But still, the governing bodies try.
Semanya comes along and, in the eyes of most people, flagrantly--if not necessarily knowingly--violates #2. She crosses, or blurs, a sacred line. That's unfair.
Let me repeat that, because people don't seem to be getting this: THAT'S UNFAIR.
It's unfair to her fellow competitors. It's unfair to the sport. The fact that RSA allowed, even encouraged, her, to compete as a woman is a blot on them.
Still, it's a mistake to sentimentalize this. I'm sorry to hear of Semenya's pain, but that's just too darn bad. S/he is 18 years old. That's the age of majority. S/he is an athlete. Her body IS the issue. It's the issue when she wins the race--it propels her to victory--and it's just as much at issue when the (awkward) matter of sexuality rears its head. On this particular issue, as far as I'm concerned, an athlete waives ALL right to privacy when s/he enters the competition and vouches EXPLICITLY for his/her sexual identity.
If hermaphrodites want to compete, fine. Let them kick some ass as men, and try harder. If the current rules forbid them from competing as men, revise the rules. Or--better yet--create an intersex division and then stand back and let 'em go. They shouldn't be invisible, nor should they be mocked. They deserve to shine. But they do not deserve to gain an unfair advantage over the differently-abled--which is to say, over WOMEN. There's no honor in that, no fair play, no heroism.
I don't know whether Semenya knew WHAT she was, but the RSA governing body surely knew that something was up. They deserve to be sanctioned. The fairest way of doing that, frankly, is to strip their competitor of his/her medal.
But please: no more condescension toward Semenya. S/he is an adult, seeking victory, fame, and glory on an adult's terrain. With freedom comes responsibility and, sometimes, humiliation and heartache. There was no way around the humiliation, unfortunately. Truths about his/her sexuality had to be ascertained.
kudzurunner well said. i agree with you, so many people stopped looking at this in the correct way. yes she is a grey area when it comes to competing against "normal" women. should she be banned? should she have to give back her medal, her money? i dont have the answer to that, that is the job of the governing body.
if they believe her testosterone levels are too high, and thus a huge advantage over the other women, then yes action needs to be taken. how much of an advantage does she have is the real question. so many of the people spitting hate and ignorance are going off looks alone. "she looks manly, so thats why she won."
does her internal testes give her the advantage, or are there physiological things at work here? if she has her testes removed is that going to make a difference in her performances?
i dont have an issue with what needs to be done about her athletically, but i do have a problem with people getting so bent out of shape. no one is screaming about Flojo, or Koch, or that man of a woman 800m WR holder. these people cheated and were filled with more testosterone than what they were born with. if there is going to be outcries of injustice on casters part, please point the fingure at all the otehr people who willingly cheated.
awesome - from that blog that was linked. Pretty much exactly what you said kudzy...
Let's cut the shit here - to the naked eye something is up. 18 girls who do not take steroidal drugs simply do not look, act or talk like Caster Semenya.
I'm going to state the obvious here and say we should all be really feeling bad for Caster. It is quite obvious that Caster and her? ( "?" in the nicest possible way, seriously) closest supporters believe she is a female and why wouldn't they. Caster appears to be from a small village in a very basic and (by western standards) somewhat impoverished area of South Africa. What is a gender test in villages like this (and probably many other places on earth)? - well I'm guessing if you have twig and berries in your lunchbox you are a boy - and if you don't, you're a girl.
How the f*** could we ever expect Caster or her family to know if she didn't have a womb and ovaries and instead was sporting internal testes or not? Exactly, we couldn't.
Caster was raised as a girl, told she was a girl presumably from birth and treated as a girl. I have no doubt in my mind that as far as Caster Semeneya and his/her family goes, there has no absolutely no attempt to cheat or fool ANYONE.
But does this make it okay? Is it okay that despite not knowing what was going on, and despite the unfortunate circumstances Caster has been biologically dealt, that Caster be allowed to compete as a woman?
I hate to break it to you Whinnie and the rest of South Africa but no, no it doesn't make it okay.
It's not about racism, colonialism, facism, communism or any other kind of "ism" that has been thrown out there in past couple of weeks - quite obviously to simply circumvent the issue at hand. Which is Caster Semenya is not a female. If we all didn't know up until now, I'm pretty sure Whinne Mandela and the bloody ANC didn't f***ing well know either.
I'm going to put my doctor hat on (which let me categorically state is a paper one) and say that at least to me, what's going on INSIDE is far more important than what's going on OUTSIDE when it comes to being deemed a bloke or a chick. Nice boobies, sexy curves, nice smelling hair, accompanying bad attitude are all well and good for a lady - but let's not forget biologically what's allowing that to happen. It's what's inside.
I am inviting ANYONE, begging ANYONE, to try and tell me how a person be classified a woman when they don't have a womb or uterus and have internal testes that produce and jettison liberal amounts of the male hormone testosterone (three times more than a fully grown woman) through that persons body. We all wondered why Caster had the "tools" she/he (f***!) had - and now we know.
It's reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy unfortunate - but it is what it is.
As for the IAAF, all this talk about "abusing Caster Semenyas rights" is really pissing me off. It's THEIR World Championships! It's THEIR money that gets paid out to winners! It's THEIR product which gets beamed all around the world making news headlines for good (Usain Bolt is amazing) or bad (A woman didn't win the womans 800 meters title) reasons. Do they have the right to look at the situation and like the rest of us know what's going on? You bet they do.
The forgotten fact is that this is not the first time this issue has seen the light of day - just not on a global level. According to reports out of South Africa, this has not been the first time Casters gender has be queried. In fact, Caster had not been allowed to compete at certain meets in South Africa at a junior level because of this very issue.
So who is really to blame for all of this? It's not Caster Semenya. It's not the family and supporters. It's not the IAAF or the fans of athletics around the world.
It's Athletics South Africa who hung a completely innocent person out to dry, all in the pursuit of winning a gold medal that in the big scheme of things means sweet f*** all...
"Our constitution does not recognise gender verification ... How could we have stopped her from competing?" Phiwe Tsholetsane, Athletics South Africa(ASA) manager of events, marketing and communications, said yesterday.
"Our mandate was to come back with medals ... How would we have explained not allowing Caster to run to the minister (of sport, Makhenkesi Stofile)?"
Former ASA head coach Wilfred Daniels yesterday lashed out at Tsholetsane's comments as symptomatic of "a win-at-all-costs mentality ... that has destroyed a young woman's life".
"All Athletics South Africa cared about was getting medals ... They never thought about what they were doing to Caster."
While ASA has not confirmed or denied media reports that it conducted sex verification testing on Semenya last month prior to her world-beating 800m performance in Berlin, Daniels reiterated his claim that the organisation had duped Semenya into a sex test in July.
Which doesn't surprise me one bit. If I was a betting man, I would bet that these pricks knew all along that something wasn't quite right and thought they could roll the dice all in pursuit of a few thousand dollars when it comes to eventually bartering for government funding for their "association". They pretty much bet on the fact that they could put Caster Semenya on a global stage in front of millions of people and if any questions were asked (which most certainly were going to be) they could get Whinnie Mandela, the ANC, and the social history of South Africa on board and brandish an epic sized race card that make us all forget about what we had seen with our very own eyes and now what modern science has seen with it's scientific testing.
What the f*** do you mean "Our constitution doesn't recognise gender verification"? "Our mandate was to come back with medals"? You can not be serious. The politics in the country of South Africa and the people running the show there continue to amaze me every day.
At the end of the day here's what needs to happen. Caster Semenya unfortunately needs to give back the world title, gold medal and the $60'000 that came along with it. Caster is not a woman (is not a man either - but definitely not a woman) and it's simply unfair to every other woman in that final (let alone those who missed a shot at the final because of Casters entry). Believe me, I feel bad for Caster - I really do, but it is what it is. In terms of who is to blame? Well South Africa and South Africans need to stop once again looking for someone else to blame and take a good look in their own f***ing backyard.
Caster Semenya, really, really stitched up.
Honestly, man, get yourself an embryology textbook and follow genital development. You are just embarrassing yourself with this vagina/no phallus therefore she's a she bit. The structures are homologous and if interrupted in development can get very tricky to identify (shallow vagina, labia with undescended testicles, large clitorus/small phallus, etc).
Her gender is a social construct. Her sex is genetic/hormonal/anatomical. There are multiple forms of intersex and AIS that prevent easy classification. Her's (more likely, his) does not look like that tough a case in terms of sex assignment. It is a heart wrenching story but she must be disqualified. Go back and read my previous post.
i agree with spencer wrote:
im just really blown away by the f***ed up people in this world. with the east coast full of pathetic "emo's" crying that no one understands them, and mad cause mommy wont let them peirce their lip....they think its ok to talk shit about a human being who had no idea she had testes inside her abdomin?
i think all the pieces of shit saying she is a man, need to be stripped naked so the whole world can see how small their dicks are, have us all laugh, poke prod and sneer at it, and then tell you how you tried to scam the world into thinking your really a man.
"look at that sad thing, haha he...i mean she thought that was a penis? what a dumbass, that is a horribly deformed clit at best, that thing needs to apologize to the world for being a freak"
assholes
You really need to find mental counseling.
It is really funny that you diss "emo's" and then you are all emotional in your post.
You are the problem you hate!
It must suck to be you.
Pittsburgh Joe wrote:
Honestly, man, get yourself an embryology textbook and follow genital development. You are just embarrassing yourself with this vagina/no phallus therefore she's a she bit. The structures are homologous and if interrupted in development can get very tricky to identify (shallow vagina, labia with undescended testicles, large clitorus/small phallus, etc).
Her gender is a social construct. Her sex is genetic/hormonal/anatomical. There are multiple forms of intersex and AIS that prevent easy classification. Her's (more likely, his) does not look like that tough a case in terms of sex assignment. It is a heart wrenching story but she must be disqualified. Go back and read my previous post.
1)You would call a person with no penis a shallow vagina and a large clitoris male??? It seems to me you are the one embarassing yourself!
2)No one said that she would be "easily classified" but as I already pointed out there have been multiple cases of FEMALES with AIS (etc) who have failed IAAF gender tests , only to be reinstated and allowed to compete again.
GayAfrican Poser wrote:
This is great news. Now all gay men can compete as women from now on. Especially the ones from South Africa!
Woo Hoo!!!
I feel to see what this post contributes to the thread , poser indeed......
I could be wrong but I believe some gay men have been shown in tests to have lower testosterone levels than the average male.
TakeYourMedicine wrote:
YOU are ridiculous, ignorant, and cruel as your post proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Get off the computer and go take your medicine.
cry baby.
there are rules for reasons. primarily because people like you would let anyone break them if it made them feel happy.
PanAfrican Athletics wrote:
user name wrote:in this case, you have to allow cross dressing men who just REALLY feel like women to compete against you too. It is a very natural extension of the your "feelings" here.
your whole post is ridiculous.
This post is ridiculous (sp?) cross-dressing men are MALES NOT WOMEN. Caster Semenya is a WOMEN , with a disorder , but still a woman.
no, in fact i am correct. there is very little that distinguishes this "woman" from a man. "She" acts, looks, and sounds like a man.
Unless this has been updated (?) "She" has testes. "She" does not have female sex organs.
so....your post is a little bit silly, don't you think?
My point is not that this poor person should be humiliated. It's that this person should not have been put in this situation by South Africa, and it is not acceptable for a human who is by almost any objective measure more male than female to compete against women.