The advantage doesn't only apply to 100m, and it doesn't appear as advantageous in the jumps either as it does in the 100.
Its hard to say, but a guess would be that its some kind of Type 2B fiber gene, that favors quickness over power. And physiologically there is a difference.
Junkie Priest wrote:
The fastest white 100m would look like this...
lane
1.Armin Hary
2.Marion Worinin
3.Pietro Mennea
4.Valery Borzov
5.Bobby Morrow
6.Allan Wells
7.Eugene Ray
8.Percy Williams
9.Hal Davis
Paul Nash should be on this list too.
hand to auto is just as likely to be faster as it is to be slower. 10.0 hand-timed does not correspond to 10.24.
Greg Bell wrote:
hand to auto is just as likely to be faster as it is to be slower. 10.0 hand-timed does not correspond to 10.24.
So he just as likely ran 9.76 than he did 10.24?
Computer says no.
If the last time a sprinter dominated was the 80s I can guess what happened. It was the begining of widespread PED abuse. In addition to the people being able to make a little bit of cash. Meant taking the risk was worth it for African American's that wanted to run for a living.
Oh and Carl Lewis was tall for his time as a sprinter and dominated much in the way that Usian does today.
Ryry wrote:
If the last time a sprinter dominated was the 80s I can guess what happened. It was the begining of widespread PED abuse. In addition to the people being able to make a little bit of cash. Meant taking the risk was worth it for African American's that wanted to run for a living.
Oh and Carl Lewis was tall for his time as a sprinter and dominated much in the way that Usian does today.
So does that widespread abuse exclude white people? Or white people don't need money? The money argument doesn't really hold much weight either. Track is not a very lucrative professional sport except for those at the top. You can juice all you want to, but if you're not among the very elite, you aren't getting paid that much.
I'm glad to see someone at least mentioned Kevin Little. Long career and some really fine times, particularly at 200 meters.
http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/oldBios/2002/Little_Kevin.asp
You better not let me find out who you are. I will kick you out of this sport for telling everybody the truth like that. How dare you. You are supposed to be a robot like that Logan fellow running your federation in the US
Here is your answer:
Marian Woronin (POL) 1st, Nicolas Macrozonaris (CAN) 2nd, Johan Rossouw (RSA) 3rd.
See:
http://speedendurance.com/2007/10/08/who-is-marian-woronin-white-men-cant-sprint/
Sparkles the Cat wrote:
lightning bolt:
The East Africans hardly dominate completely the distance events like a small group of West Africans dominates the Sprints.
OH yeah? Trust me, it's pretty dominant. Ever taken a look at the all-time world lists from 1500-marathon??? one small region of the planet (east africa) owns ~90% of the all time top 25 performers in these events. Ethiopia and Kenya have won top 2 in world cross team titles for as long as I can remember, and now the women are nearly as dominant. ~98% of major marathons the last decade or so have been won by africans. In Sprints talent matters more, but in disance running it matters too and clealry the cream of the east african crop is way beyond the cream of the european/white crop.
Sparkles the Cat wrote:I think this is important because it shows that complete dominance is genetic, while partial dominance is simply lifestyle choices.
See above, it IS nearly as dominant.
Sparkles the Cat wrote:If you took a bunch of white people, took their money, cars, and food away, and the only way they could have even a good meal was to run their asses off, you bet they'd run fast. Probably find 5-10 sub 27 athletes, and another 5-10 sub 13 athletes every year from them.
Oh yeah, sure, why not. 5-10 every year, huh? Why not 20? C'mon sparkles, don't be afraid of getting carried away (because you crossed that threshold a long time ago). See, here's the little problem with your theory: in the history of running, not a SINGLE non-african has broken 27:05. That includes South America, North America, Europe, Asia, Australia/Oceania, etc......EV-E-RY-WHERE. And this includes drug users, one in a million talents, incredibly driven athletes, poor athletes with lots of hunger (there are actually poor white people too), guys being coached by the smartest, best coaches ever, etc. Yet, with all that, all that drive, all those resources, and alllllllllll those people running, not a single person from the whole world outside of east/North africa could break 27:05 in history. Not a one. How many east africans? About 40. FORTY TO ZERO. And you are now telling us with a few environment changes non-africans would start doing it in droves??? Too funny.
Look, produce a single sub 27:00 non-african, or a single sub 10.00 100m white sprinter and maybe we'll talk. Until then, your theories are not impressive sparkles.
( by the way, here's a pic of of the 1/2 & 1/2 Johnson running against some actual white sprinters:
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200708/r172198_648864.jpg)
I think what's interesting here is that some are taking this too far- There seems to be one small group of West African descent that has the most speed out of the entire world. Most African Americans aren't descended from this group, probably most Jamaicans aren't either. The lucky few who are and do sprint are maybe a few thousand world wide professionally so if you want a genetic explanation, its possible.
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Most African Americans are not descendents of West Africa? Is that what your saying? If so, you are not correct. Yes, the traits necessary to make someone a world class sprinter are not expressed by all of West Africaners, although they appear to posses the necessary genetics.
Also 10.1 relative to 9.90 is very significant. Its > a 10% difference
Morocco.
And Sir Lance a little, the dominance is no where as complete as the 100 meter is. Don't even compare the two.
statistically 100% of Sub-10 runners are west african.
Many Moroccans and Europeans have broken 13, broken 1:42, and 3:30. Check the sub 3:50 list. Check the top Marathon, WC Marathons, and Olympic Marathons.
No where near as dominant as the sub-10 100m sprinters. Yes a majority, but not 100%. Can you understand the difference?
100% to me implies genetic prerequisite. A simple majority implies life style/motivational factors. Whats so hard to understand about that?
Some of you are astonishing "Black people" like they are one genetic group. Now Aborigines are Black. What total ignorance of genetics.
There is more gentic variation in people in Africa than the rest of the human race combined, yet you group all Africans (and Aborigines) in one neat group "Black". That people on a running forum would lump West Africans and East Africans into one group is beyond amazing; it is indicative of how deeply color blinds you. Odds are that one (or both) of them has more in common genetically with 'Europeans' than they do with each other.
News flash: everyone is a mixture. Not only "African-Americans", but "Europeans" and everyone else. If it were truly about genetics and not color you wouldn't be drawing the lines where you are.
Completely agree. I think most understand that
There is alot of genetic variation because you have many homegenous groups. Those groups have specific traits. Some of those traits can result in an advantage physically.
Sprinting talent is not a black thing, rather a homegenous group thing, the group being peoples of an area of West Africa
Valeri/Valery Borzov 100: 10.07 and 200: 20.00
Can anyone find any faster times for him?
You can assume he was on something, I suppose, but he's got to rank with the fastest white guys ever.
Then why do West African countries basically suck at sprinting?
Even my questions are quick wrote:
Then why do West African countries basically suck at sprinting?
Its obviously the wrong gene. Probably a further mutation of the gene had by only a very small % of their respective populations.
Mennea did hold the 200 WR at one time at 19.72. Does anyone know if he's the only white man to break 20 sec for 200m? If there are others, who are they and what did they run?[/quote]
19.98 1.7 Marcin Urbas POL
WHAAATT! Ever hear of Nigeria
Wars
Poverty
Illness
Life expectancy
have something to do with it also
