Rupp does the 30-40

shit wrote:

just imagine how fast guys like solinsky, teg, curtis, would run with all the shit rupp has. they have none of that stuff. solinsky and teg are finally going to try to train at altitude soon i hear. rupp is more of a pro than the pros. that doesn't seem right. i wonder how goucher feel about being second fiddle to a college runner.

Cry me a river bitch.

I suggest that he tries the AR on a gravity free treadmill, in air-con room (with higher O2 content) and obviously asking Bekele to do pace-setter (maybe also other Nike sponsored runners can...)

this guy is already 22... he is 100% pro and still he can make a joke of himself to entry a College race and then withdraw because of "roots on the course" ...

I think he better wakes up and start to really compete only at international level, rather than still playing around in College races...

Why not taking part in Golden League meetings ? or World XC or other serious stuff ?

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An above poster(on another page perhaps) considered the possibility of Rupp getting the 10k AR this spring/summer. In the spring of '07, Rupp ra 27:33, running the second 5k significantly faster than the first 5k of the race, so he probably could have ran somewhere in the mid 27:20's if he had paced himself better. Considering that was almost 18 months ago, I think it is a legitimate consideration to think that Rupp might be able to break the 10k AR in 2009. They said last year he ran 21 laps of 30-40's, and this year he's run 24 laps of the same workout.

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Runners race so infrequently that we may have to begin recognizing training records.

As a high school girl who runs low 19's. What would be a good conversion for me to do this? Just curious.

shit wrote:

just imagine how fast guys like solinsky, teg, curtis, would run with all the shit rupp has. they have none of that stuff. solinsky and teg are finally going to try to train at altitude soon i hear. rupp is more of a pro than the pros. that doesn't seem right. i wonder how goucher feel about being second fiddle to a college runner.

Yeah, they would probably run 12,50 by now.

and yet Rupp still can't break 4 for the mile... how is that possible

AJ Acosta did the same workout as Rupp but instead of doing the 40's, he was allowed to briefly text message a young DyeStat boy in rural Nebraska.

economist - I don't doubt for one minute that he did this workout - he is a tremendous talent and plenty of anecdotal data has come forth over the years about the impressive workouts and pace he carries in them.

And I too am perplexed by his failure not just to break four minutes for a mile, but run at least 3:55. I can only think that he so enjoys the long distance mindset of a 5k or 10k he just doesn't comfortably adjust to the intensity of the mile. But who really knows.

It is perplexing because I found the mile to 5k transition much harder - especially in learning how to get to the 3k mark relaxed off of a fast pace so a good kick could obtain. But everyone has different skills and mental make-up, and Rupp, as talented as he is, finds the transition down to a mile apparently difficult.

But a great, great talent. Hope he continues to improve.

Let's not be so elitist.

Obviously the times are only set at 30/40 because those are paces that can be handled by someone running at that level. Those of us who run 2:55 marathons, or whatever, could use some adaptation of the workout that is based on times that would give us a similar experience, similar effort level, and hopefully similar benefit (whatever it may be).

There are some good suggestions here so far for useful times. Best to start there and experiment.

fgfg wrote:

I want to try... wrote:

I wonder how one would adjust the 30/40 for less fit runners. My numbers would reflect a 2:55 marathoner or 1:24 half, any ideas on appropriate paces?

It's how many you can do

if you can't run 30/40 then it's Zero

Above post was a response to this guy.

zse wrote:

Runners race so infrequently that we may have to begin recognizing training records.

As a die hard distance fan, that pretty much somes up my feelings about the American running scene and it makes it harder for me to care or pay attention. To much super coaching and super planning and not enough straight up racing. To much rabbiting, to much searching for ideal conditions, and to much thinking. Long live the 30-40 record!

ramxc wrote:

Go ahead and say it for the 700th time that what bothers you is that Rupp has these training modalities while in college, and you don't think it's fair. And then get over it and start supporting a kid who wants to be GREAT.

Wait a second there coach. That's awfully defensive, not to mention completely missing the point. Why is it that you think others should supports Rupp? Personally, I'll chose what runners I want support and which runners I don't feel worthy of it. I would presume that everyone else should have the right to do the same.

If you wish to support a Professional athlete pretending (when it suits him) to be on a college team, that's you're choice. As for the advantages and facilities that Rupp has access to, you seem to imply that it's only that he wants to succeed so badly that he has these things. As if to say other college athletes simply don't care as much about success. What a joke. Rupp is the Britney Spears of the running world, talent not withstanding, a product of hype, promotion, and legalese.

I can almost guarantee you that if all college runners had access to the same pampered treatment, Rupp would not even be in contention.

Track and Field has a long and checkered history of unethical athletes who, before they were caught, had both supporters and detractors. If and when Rupp and Salazar finally get busted, where will you stand?

First of all ramxc is a good and honorable guy. Second he is clearly closely connected to Galen from HS days.

Third, Rupp is really really good and very talented.He hardly needs the advantages but he does have them.

The real ones he has,are obvious but another is he hardly EVER races and has been in set up events way more than anyone else ever has been, for his level.

As good as he is, he has never beaten all of his peers in XC, and out right won any XC National Titles.

A guy like Torres won twice and so did Ritz, Ritz won 4 times counting HS in XC alone, Rupp? None.I do not think he will ever be a factor other than in this niche, unless he actually races more and at other distances than what? The 2+ 10K's he ran last year?

Just how many races did he run from Oct 1 2007-Oct 1 2008?

Maybe a bad year you say as that was an Olympic year.Check all of the other years as well.

His whole college career looks like that.While folks used to bash overracing, guys hardly race at all now, and then people go friggin nuts when guys look like they have shakey tactics.

The sport is about racing people and running times, that is all it is. It is not about training all year to run 3-5 events, in total, THAT is barely a sport.. at least not the way I see it.

overrated.

I agree.

Additional posting on oregonlive.com from Doug Binder, who witnessed Rupp's workout:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/2008/10/more_on_rupps_workout.html

Burnt out ducky - I understand your emotions regarding Rupp's privileges. He is a far cry from the guys in the 70's and 80's who just ran and raced.

But I don't agree with your point that if others received the same kind of support, he would be out of contention. I highly doubt that a 27:33 10k runner will be out of contention for anything in the NCAA ranks sometime soon. I suspect you meant to state that perhaps certain other very talented runner runners would have reached his level of performance.

And I am not sure about the emotional comments about Salazar and Rupp. Seems to me you would have to back that up with facts as to whether and how these two are cheating and not merely rely on emotion or speculation. Rupp is not a guy like Cathal Lombard who came out of relative nowhere to jam his 10k time down overnight - he was a 13:37 5k runner in high school. Perhaps you can greater inform?

burnt out ducky wrote:

I can almost guarantee you that if all college runners had access to the same pampered treatment, Rupp would not even be in contention.

Really, he wouldn't even be in contention if all college athletes had the same "advantages" he has? I find that absolutely impossible to believe. First off, there is way too much focus on things that are supplemental training tools as the reason Rupp is running the times he runs. He is successful because of his natural ability and work ethic. Regarding not even being in contention, unless I'm missing something Rupp was second in the Olympic Trials and the top American at the Olympics in the 10k. I guess he has an unfair advantage on all of the US's professional athletes too? I guess all we need to do is get some collegiate runners altitude tents, underwater treadmills, and training sessions on the magical Nike track and there would soon be a multitude of collegiate runners better than our top professional athletes.

I think Rupp is more a part of the Oregon team than some acknowledge, but while I don't completely agree, I do get the criticism of "make up your mind if your a collegiate runner or a pro". What I will never understand is the criticism of anything Rupp does and the disdain for him trying a different path than everyone before him. I sometimes get the impression half this board would be happier if all our runners were running workouts in 1970's shoes while being whipped between each repeat just to show how blue collar and tough they are.

"giant pansy"