Hall 1:04:29/1:08? ...he fukked up....
Ritz 3 minutes off his PR; still weak compared to the rest of the field!
He had an off day? This is the Olympics...who gives a shit....Gharib was having a horrible day (he looks like he should have been carted off the course @ 30km) and he was w/in 30 secs of gold.
thats Ritz <1 minute off his PR - within his capabilities and a solid finish,
Even if Hall ran 1:04:29/1:05 he still wud have been 3 mins off his PR - weak compared to the rest of the field. But good enuf for bronze
Ritz and Hall both finished well. I think they went out smart by holding off and not running at that insane pace. The fact that they didn't run negative splits indicates that they didn't go out too slow.
Anyone who has run distance in that kind of heat knows how badly it can effect you.
I agree with some of the others though that Hall and Ritz may have done better had they run together, as a team, taking turns pulling and chasing people down.
Everyone knows that the Japanese are great marathoners and have real depth, and they've trained for similar conditions (Tokyo and Beijing in August are similar). Yet where were their runners? One even finished last (or next to last, I can't remember).
Great races by Ritz and Hall. Well done guys.
mensa candidate wrote: After further review, no one ran like a Kenyan (negative splits) except for #2125 Ruggero Pertile of Italy who was in 52nd place at halfway (1:07:17) and finished 15th in 2:13:39. He was 14 seconds behind Baldini at the finish although at halfway Stefano was more than a minute ahead of him. Pertile beat a ton of people who went through halfway in 1:03, 1:04 and 1:05.
The Americans were 12th, 17th and 41st at halfway and finished 9th, 10th and 22nd.
The official Beijing website also mentioned 24 degrees celsius (76 degrees fahrenheit) for the start.
You got me wondering so I sorted the whole field that made it to at least half by neg/positive split success (last number)
Fin. Name . . . . . . Final / Time behind / 1st Half / 2nd Half / Diff.
15 PERTILE Ruggero 2:13:39 7:07 1:07:17 1:06:22 -00:55
24 ROBINSON Dan 2:16:14 9:42 1:08:03 1:08:11 00:08
23 ANDRIANI Ottaviano 2:16:10 9:38 1:07:39 1:08:31 00:52
12 BALDINI Stefano 2:13:25 6:53 1:06:14 1:07:11 00:57
14 ANDREEV Grigoriy 2:13:33 7:01 1:06:14 1:07:19 01:05
1 WANSIRU Samuel Kamau 2:06:32 OR 1:02:34 1:03:58 01:24
74 TSCHOPP Marcel 2:35:06 28:34:00 1:16:50 1:18:16 01:26
13 OGATA Tsuyoshi 2:13:26 6:54 1:05:43 1:07:43 02:00
2 GHARIB Jaouad 2:07:16 0:44 1:02:34 1:04:42 02:08
38 de SOUSA Jose 2:20:25 13:53 1:09:05 1:11:20 02:15
42 KIM Il Nam 2:21:51 15:19 1:09:47 1:12:04 02:17
19 HOLMEN Janne 2:14:44 8:12 1:06:08 1:08:36 02:28
6 ROTHLIN Viktor 2:10:35 4:03 1:03:49 1:06:46 02:57
18 LEE Myongseung 2:14:37 8:05 1:05:43 1:08:54 03:11
7 ASFAW Gashaw 2:10:52 4:20 1:03:50 1:07:02 03:12
11 FOKORONI Mike 2:13:17 6:45 1:05:00 1:08:17 03:17
33 RI Kum Song 2:19:08 12:36 1:07:54 1:11:14 03:20
21 SOKOLOV Alexey 2:15:57 9:25 1:06:14 1:09:43 03:29
10 HALL Ryan 2:12:33 6:01 1:04:29 1:08:04 03:35
22 SELL Brian 2:16:07 9:35 1:06:14 1:09:53 03:39
29 KULKOV Oleg 2:18:11 11:39 1:07:15 1:10:56 03:41
39 MAASE Kamiel 2:20:30 13:58 1:08:21 1:12:09 03:48
43 CARDONA Juan Carlos 2:21:57 15:25 1:09:04 1:12:53 03:49
9 RITZENHEIN Dathan 2:11:59 5:27 1:03:54 1:08:05 04:11
17 KIRWA Francis 2:14:22 7:50 1:05:03 1:09:19 04:16
3 KEBEDE Tsegay 2:10:00 3:28 1:02:50 1:07:10 04:20
28 LEE Bongju 2:17:56 11:24 1:06:46 1:11:10 04:24
30 GOMES Paulo 2:18:15 11:43 1:06:55 1:11:20 04:25
58 BERNADO Antoni 2:26:29 19:57 1:10:53 1:15:36 04:43
25 DENG Haiyang 2:16:17 9:45 1:05:43 1:10:34 04:51
41 MUSINSCHI Iaroslav 2:21:18 14:46 1:08:03 1:13:15 05:12
4 MERGA Deriba 2:10:21 3:49 1:02:34 1:07:47 05:13
5 LEL Martin 2:10:24 3:52 1:02:34 1:07:50 05:16
75 LOSKUTOV Pavel 2:39:01 32:29:00 1:16:50 1:22:11 05:21
27 MATVIYCHUK Vasyl 2:17:50 11:18 1:06:14 1:11:36 05:22
65 TENORIO Franklin 2:29:05 22:33 1:11:49 1:17:16 05:27
45 BASNET Arjun 2:23:09 16:37 1:08:50 1:14:19 05:29
8 ASMEROM Yared 2:11:11 4:39 1:02:50 1:08:21 05:31
48 CRUZ Nelson 2:23:47 17:15 1:09:03 1:14:44 05:41
51 LI Zhuhong 2:24:08 17:36 1:09:09 1:14:59 05:50
31 MALINGA Alex 2:18:26 11:54 1:06:14 1:12:12 05:58
16 MARTINEZ Jose Manuel 2:14:00 7:28 1:03:55 1:10:05 06:10
32 CORDERO Carlos 2:18:40 12:08 1:06:14 1:12:26 06:12
49 ECHEVERRIA Roberto 2:23:54 17:22 1:08:50 1:15:04 06:14
62 STOJILJKOVIC Goran 2:28:14 21:42 1:10:54 1:17:20 06:26
37 SAEED Nasar Sakar 2:20:24 13:52 1:06:52 1:13:32 06:40
54 SOWA Arkadiusz 2:24:48 18:16 1:08:33 1:16:15 07:42
67 KEJZAR Roman 2:29:37 23:05 1:10:53 1:18:44 07:51
34 SZOST Henryk 2:19:43 13:11 1:05:43 1:14:00 08:17
20 GOUMRI Abderrahim 2:15:00 8:28 1:03:07 1:11:53 08:46
35 GARCIA Jose Amado 2:20:15 13:43 1:05:43 1:14:32 08:49
73 HEM Bunting 2:33:32 27:00:00 1:12:19 1:21:13 08:54
50 KIM Yiyong 2:23:57 17:25 1:07:30 1:16:27 08:57
66 BAUTISTA Francisco 2:29:28 22:56 1:10:15 1:19:13 08:58
40 PAK Song Chol 2:21:16 14:44 1:06:07 1:15:09 09:02
61 LEON Constantino 2:28:04 21:32 1:09:31 1:18:33 09:02
59 WU Wen-Chien 2:26:55 20:23 1:08:51 1:18:04 09:13
70 MAMASHAYEV Takhir 2:30:26 23:54 1:10:36 1:19:50 09:14
26 BOURAMDANE Abderrahime 2:17:42 11:10 1:04:12 1:13:30 09:18
69 AYELE Seteng 2:30:07 23:35 1:10:16 1:19:51 09:35
46 ORNELAS Helder 2:23:20 16:48 1:06:35 1:16:45 10:10
56 BASHINGILI Ndabili 2:25:11 18:39 1:07:11 1:18:00 10:49
47 FRANCO Procopio 2:23:24 16:52 1:06:07 1:17:17 11:10
55 RAMADHANI Samson 2:25:03 18:31 1:06:55 1:18:08 11:13
63 AREVALO Alfredo 2:28:26 21:54 1:08:28 1:19:58 11:30
44 RAMAALA Hendrick 2:22:43 16:11 1:05:21 1:17:22 12:01
52 BAT-OCHIR Ser-Od 2:24:19 17:47 1:05:56 1:18:23 12:27
64 QADER Yousf Othman 2:28:40 22:08 1:07:44 1:20:56 13:12
71 CEYLAN Abdil 2:31:43 25:11:00 1:08:55 1:22:48 13:53
60 TROOP Lee 2:27:17 20:45 1:06:12 1:21:05 14:53
72 RIOS Jose 2:32:35 26:03:00 1:08:41 1:23:54 15:13
36 KIFLE Yonas 2:20:23 13:51 1:02:34 1:17:49 15:15
57 MUNYUTU Simon 2:25:50 19:18 1:04:56 1:20:54 15:58
53 DLOMO Norman 2:24:28 17:56 1:04:13 1:20:15 16:02
68 NSHIMIRIMANA Joachim 2:29:55 23:23 1:06:55 1:23:00 16:05
76 SATO Atsushi 2:41:08 34:36:00 1:10:29 1:30:39 20:10
__ MESFN Tesfayohannes DNF 1:05:23 _ _
__ REY Julio DNF 1:04:26 _ _
__ FAGAN Martin DNF 1:05:44 _ _
__ RIYADH Al Mustapha DNF 1:07:30 _ _
Now sorted by fastest 2nd half- a more relevant statistic to final place:
Fin. Name . . . . . . Final / Time behind / 1st Half / 2nd Half / Diff.
1 WANSIRU Samuel Kamau 2:06:32 OR 1:02:34 1:03:58 01:24
2 GHARIB Jaouad 2:07:16 0:44 1:02:34 1:04:42 02:08
15 PERTILE Ruggero 2:13:39 7:07 1:07:17 1:06:22 -00:55
6 ROTHLIN Viktor 2:10:35 4:03 1:03:49 1:06:46 02:57
7 ASFAW Gashaw 2:10:52 4:20 1:03:50 1:07:02 03:12
3 KEBEDE Tsegay 2:10:00 3:28 1:02:50 1:07:10 04:20
12 BALDINI Stefano 2:13:25 6:53 1:06:14 1:07:11 00:57
14 ANDREEV Grigoriy 2:13:33 7:01 1:06:14 1:07:19 01:05
13 OGATA Tsuyoshi 2:13:26 6:54 SB 1:05:43 1:07:43 02:00
4 MERGA Deriba 2:10:21 3:49 1:02:34 1:07:47 05:13
5 LEL Martin 2:10:24 3:52 1:02:34 1:07:50 05:16
10 HALL Ryan 2:12:33 6:01 1:04:29 1:08:04 03:35
9 RITZENHEIN Dathan 2:11:59 5:27 1:03:54 1:08:05 04:11
24 ROBINSON Dan 2:16:14 9:42 1:08:03 1:08:11 00:08
11 FOKORONI Mike 2:13:17 6:45 PB 1:05:00 1:08:17 03:17
8 ASMEROM Yared 2:11:11 4:39 1:02:50 1:08:21 05:31
23 ANDRIANI Ottaviano 2:16:10 9:38 1:07:39 1:08:31 00:52
19 HOLMEN Janne 2:14:44 8:12 1:06:08 1:08:36 02:28
18 LEE Myongseung 2:14:37 8:05 1:05:43 1:08:54 03:11
17 KIRWA Francis 2:14:22 7:50 1:05:03 1:09:19 04:16
21 SOKOLOV Alexey 2:15:57 9:25 1:06:14 1:09:43 03:29
22 SELL Brian 2:16:07 9:35 1:06:14 1:09:53 03:39
16 MARTINEZ Jose Manuel 2:14:00 7:28 1:03:55 1:10:05 06:10
25 DENG Haiyang 2:16:17 9:45 1:05:43 1:10:34 04:51
29 KULKOV Oleg 2:18:11 11:39 1:07:15 1:10:56 03:41
28 LEE Bongju 2:17:56 11:24 1:06:46 1:11:10 04:24
33 RI Kum Song 2:19:08 12:36 1:07:54 1:11:14 03:20
38 de SOUSA Jose 2:20:25 13:53 1:09:05 1:11:20 02:15
30 GOMES Paulo 2:18:15 11:43 1:06:55 1:11:20 04:25
27 MATVIYCHUK Vasyl 2:17:50 11:18 1:06:14 1:11:36 05:22
20 GOUMRI Abderrahim 2:15:00 8:28 1:03:07 1:11:53 08:46
42 KIM Il Nam 2:21:51 15:19 1:09:47 1:12:04 02:17
39 MAASE Kamiel 2:20:30 13:58 1:08:21 1:12:09 03:48
31 MALINGA Alex 2:18:26 11:54 1:06:14 1:12:12 05:58
32 CORDERO Carlos 2:18:40 12:08 1:06:14 1:12:26 06:12
43 CARDONA Juan Carlos 2:21:57 15:25 1:09:04 1:12:53 03:49
41 MUSINSCHI Iaroslav 2:21:18 14:46 1:08:03 1:13:15 05:12
26 BOURAMDANE Abderrahime 2:17:42 11:10 1:04:12 1:13:30 09:18
37 SAEED Nasar Sakar 2:20:24 13:52 1:06:52 1:13:32 06:40
34 SZOST Henryk 2:19:43 13:11 1:05:43 1:14:00 08:17
45 BASNET Arjun 2:23:09 16:37 PB 1:08:50 1:14:19 05:29
35 GARCIA Jose Amado 2:20:15 13:43 1:05:43 1:14:32 08:49
48 CRUZ Nelson 2:23:47 17:15 1:09:03 1:14:44 05:41
51 LI Zhuhong 2:24:08 17:36 1:09:09 1:14:59 05:50
49 ECHEVERRIA Roberto 2:23:54 17:22 1:08:50 1:15:04 06:14
40 PAK Song Chol 2:21:16 14:44 1:06:07 1:15:09 09:02
58 BERNADO Antoni 2:26:29 19:57 1:10:53 1:15:36 04:43
54 SOWA Arkadiusz 2:24:48 18:16 1:08:33 1:16:15 07:42
50 KIM Yiyong 2:23:57 17:25 1:07:30 1:16:27 08:57
46 ORNELAS Helder 2:23:20 16:48 1:06:35 1:16:45 10:10
65 TENORIO Franklin 2:29:05 22:33 1:11:49 1:17:16 05:27
47 FRANCO Procopio 2:23:24 16:52 1:06:07 1:17:17 11:10
62 STOJILJKOVIC Goran 2:28:14 21:42 1:10:54 1:17:20 06:26
44 RAMAALA Hendrick 2:22:43 16:11 1:05:21 1:17:22 12:01
36 KIFLE Yonas 2:20:23 13:51 1:02:34 1:17:49 15:15
56 BASHINGILI Ndabili 2:25:11 18:39 1:07:11 1:18:00 10:49
59 WU Wen-Chien 2:26:55 20:23 1:08:51 1:18:04 09:13
55 RAMADHANI Samson 2:25:03 18:31 1:06:55 1:18:08 11:13
74 TSCHOPP Marcel 2:35:06 28:34:00 1:16:50 1:18:16 01:26
52 BAT-OCHIR Ser-Od 2:24:19 17:47 1:05:56 1:18:23 12:27
61 LEON Constantino 2:28:04 21:32 1:09:31 1:18:33 09:02
67 KEJZAR Roman 2:29:37 23:05 1:10:53 1:18:44 07:51
66 BAUTISTA Francisco 2:29:28 22:56 1:10:15 1:19:13 08:58
70 MAMASHAYEV Takhir 2:30:26 23:54 1:10:36 1:19:50 09:14
69 AYELE Seteng 2:30:07 23:35 1:10:16 1:19:51 09:35
63 AREVALO Alfredo 2:28:26 21:54 1:08:28 1:19:58 11:30
53 DLOMO Norman 2:24:28 17:56 1:04:13 1:20:15 16:02
57 MUNYUTU Simon 2:25:50 19:18 1:04:56 1:20:54 15:58
64 QADER Yousf Othman 2:28:40 22:08 1:07:44 1:20:56 13:12
60 TROOP Lee 2:27:17 20:45 1:06:12 1:21:05 14:53
73 HEM Bunting 2:33:32 27:00:00 1:12:19 1:21:13 08:54
75 LOSKUTOV Pavel 2:39:01 32:29:00 1:16:50 1:22:11 05:21
71 CEYLAN Abdil 2:31:43 25:11:00 1:08:55 1:22:48 13:53
68 NSHIMIRIMANA Joachim 2:29:55 23:23 1:06:55 1:23:00 16:05
72 RIOS Jose 2:32:35 26:03:00 1:08:41 1:23:54 15:13
76 SATO Atsushi 2:41:08 34:36:00 1:10:29 1:30:39 20:10
Did Hall and Ritz run well? I'd say they have to be PO'd. Imagine if this had not been the Oly's, just another Big City marathon. Would they be happy? I think not.
Didn't get to see all of the coverage. However, it appeared Ryan was nearly always running with his nose in the wind. Given that, I ran some numbers comparing running alone as opposed to running in the back of a group.
It appears Ryan would have had to expend an average of .87% more energy in the first half of the race had he always stuck tucked in a meter behind the lead guys.
To stick behind the lead runner for the second half would have taken about 4.7% more energy than he expended on his own. Unlike .87% for the first half, 4.7% is quite significant and this would have been exceptionally difficult to pull off given his lack of weather acclimitization.
Had he gone into this just looking to stay with the lead group, he may have run much faster. It's not very inspiring to be running for 10th place when you've won so many times before, so it's reasonalbe to expect he could have extracted more from himself had he felt like he was in contention.
I'm convinced that with better RACE tactics and specific weather conditions prep, he would have podiumed. That being said, with the same two qualifiers in the previous sentence, so could have a dozen other guys been on the podium.
But Coach Vigil told him at the starting line that 2:12 would win. If he respected Coach Vigil, there would be no reason to go out any faster than 64 minutes.
Wither Man wrote:
I don't understand the posters who are defending the American runners, their Oly race strategies, etc. National pride is great, but the bottom line is that USA distance running stinks.
And not only does it stink, but it will never be competitive on the world stage again. Ever. (Well, not unless we continue to consider naturalized citizens as "American" runners.) Runners from other countries, namely Africa, are simply hungrier.
P.S. I didn't catch any of Hall's post-race comments. Did he happen to mention that it was God's plan for him to tank?
List those countries that are overall better than the US from 800m-marathon.
What did everyone think that Rupp was going to do? Or Abdi?
he went out in 64 and wilted...that does not cut it...coming back with a 68 and thinking that will do anything other than get you a few, "nice job" pats on the back from LR sycophants is delusional.
Dan Robinson went out in 68, and came back in 68. The Italians all ran even splits. Rothlin picked off people and was trying to replicate his Osaka bronze but came up short (66 2nd half). If you are going to try to pick people off, you have to do better than 68....christ...this was a BAD race for Hall...face it.
Kenya, Ethiopia and Eritrea to name a few. But that doesn't matter. I don't care about "overall"...that implies that over all of the distance events we are better than most other countries. That may be the case but we are just good enough in each event. This medicority is what annoys me...I would rather we suck at the 800 or 10k and start winning some marathons rather than be the 3rd or fourth best in each event. Of course we are going to have more depth in most events, look at the size of our country.