That woman has since ran a qualifying time. But the USATF absolutly would not let her in based on her chip time.
Rosario did not appeal to the USATF, his time was adjusted by the Chicago Marathon.
That woman has since ran a qualifying time. But the USATF absolutly would not let her in based on her chip time.
Rosario did not appeal to the USATF, his time was adjusted by the Chicago Marathon.
you should look at kevin hansons message on the hansons-running.com message board. apparently they did ask the chicago marathon to review the times of brian sell and ben rosario. there doesn't appear to be anything underhanded, but how can the chicago marathon claim their timing system is off by two seconds (for both guys)?
maybe the chicago marathon has cameras that show their times going over the first mat, and the chip didn't pick up their time until going over the second mat. maybe they can tell which mat got their finishing time -- i don't know.
Unconfused wrote:
That woman has since ran a qualifying time. But the USATF absolutly would not let her in based on her chip time.
Rosario did not appeal to the USATF, his time was adjusted by the Chicago Marathon.
So there currently is no one that is effected by the rule? Please let me know that womans name I would love to find out who told her no at USATF.
Oh the doubters...
Mary Coordt - Chicago 2002
Gun Time - 2:48:06
Chip Time - 2:47:57
She has since run Grandma's 2003 and qualified narrowly.
And who at USATF told her no way? I guarantee that USATF will start denying. So I want some ammo. I swear I will call them out at the convention.
I don't know. I don't live with her or anything, just what I was told.
USATF is a stickler for these things. Rosario probably wouldn't get in if his "official" time was left at 2:22:01. Right now doesn't look like he is in yet, since he is not on the site, but everyone else that qualified at Chicago are.
I am sorry but I was told differently from a USATF official, that is why I am asking who told her this. Do you know if she filed an official protest and was denied or just got a bad vibe? I am not doubting you, but it is opposite of what I was told.
Many witnesses have reported a third gun time - behind the grassy knoll.
She filed an official protest and was shut down. That's why she came back and ran Grandma's.
Unconfused wrote:
She filed an official protest and was shut down. That's why she came back and ran Grandma's.
Thanks, then I can track it down.
the times in the pictures are either right on, or were snapped second before the actual finish time. i believe the second mat is the actual finish. i stopped my watch a little after i crossed the line (probably around the 2nd mat) and the time on my watch matched up with the gun time. so i'd say the pictures are pretty accurate.
I smell rotten haddock!
1. Rosario toed the line (or just behind it) in Chicago and slightly over 2:22 later he crossed the finish line.
2. A little widget attached to his shoe that is designed to track his own personal time, NOT THE OFFICIAL RACE TIME, showed that he covered the distance from line to line in just under 2:22 in his own personal time trial.
3. The USATF only recognizes race results for trials qualifiers, NOT PERSONAL TIME TRIALS.
4. Rosario runs for a well known club who petitioned the race to "take another look" at his RACE TIME. Despite photographic evidence to the contrary, the race decided that he did in fact run the race (not cover the distance) from gun to tape in under 2:22.
Covering the distance from line to line in under 2:22 does not suffice. You must run the race in under 2:22. If you start 3 seconds back from the starting line then thats your problem.
As has been said before, once you start moving the goal posts around for favored runners, just where do you stop? 3 seconds? 5 seconds? 30 seconds?
(I personally think this is all a big anti-Sacramento conspiracy. Mary Coordt and Miles and Miles, both Sacramentins!)
Captain Birdseye wrote:
(I personally think this is all a big anti-Sacramento conspiracy. Mary Coordt and Miles and Miles, both Sacramentins!)
That argument makes as much sense as any that I've heard.
i mean seriously how far from the start could he have possibly been?? apparently 2 seconds. my guess is probably he was behind his pace group, a few hansons guys and maybe another guy or two or three... not behind anyone else that hampered the race in anyway. he would've had the same time had he been in front of the pace group(at the actual starting line), say if his duty for his group was for the first section. correct me if i'm wrong here. the chip/gun discrepancy is meaningless for people who are running with a pacing group that has people at the actual line.
[quote]conspiracy theorist wrote:
you should look at kevin hansons message on the hansons-running.com message board. apparently they did ask the chicago marathon to review the times of brian sell and ben rosario. there doesn't appear to be anything underhanded
And I'll huff, and I'll puff, and I'll blooooooow you're house down!
What do you mean there doesn't appear to be anything underhanded?
If Chicago changed the official gun times of 2 Hansons runners a month after the fact without showing that there was any kind of technical timing error or human error entering the times into the results database, then THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE SOMETHING UNDERHAND AT WORK.
Were the Chicago clocks 2 seconds off? if so why were only 2 runners times adjusted?
Man that fishy smell keeps getting worse...the usatf site is down today too.
It wasn't me that said that it was the guy who started this whole thread.
if the chicago marathon reviewed only rosario and sell (at the hansons' request) it is most likely they would only change their times (and not all 40,000 runners, which would take too much time to review everybody individually when there were probably only two reviews requested). if they can change times manually after-the-fact, though, it seems to me that their whole timing system is flawed.
again as i stated earlier, i don't know anything about the review (anything i say would just be speculation).
but (here is my best take from looking at the marathonfoto.com pictures)...
there appear to be two mats at the finish line -- i would assume the second one is the back-up. there also appears to be somewhere in the proximity of about ten yards between the two mats (which would take a 2:21 marathoner about two seconds to run).
if sell and rosario were missed by the first mat and got their times off of the second mat (which the marathon might be able to tell from the champion chip data they have or the finish line video tape?) this might account for a two second differential. i'm sure chicago has a lot of camera footage to look at also that helped them in their review.
i don't have any pictures of rosario, but it looks like sell's time when he is on the second mat is 2:20:01. brian callinan's time looks like it is 2:22:04 on the first mat (official gun-time of 2:22:05).
also, on a side note, if the first chip mat missed at least two of the top 50 runners (and probably more), that system doesn't sound very good. if you missed just 4% of the runners on each of the two mats, you would miss 64 out of 40,000 runners' finishing times. that indicates to me that if the first mat missed both the hanson runners something would have to have been wrong (maybe not completely defective but not working at 100%) with that particular mat.
There are always time anomalies near the event horizon.
Einstein predicted this eighty years ago.