Testing Distance Runners..... Bekele

Because:

-she says "freeze my blood and test it later"

-she's British and has more to lose than is she were American.

I would be curious to see that list of busted athletes and to see which were on their own (as far as coaching) and which were members of larger training groups. I'd bet that you'd find common threads for most of them (I think Graham has had nine positive tests associated with him, and that's not counting Pettigrew). USADA and WADA have stepped it up and you people like Felix, Gay and Clay volunteering for additional testing. Always more work to do, but much better than four or eight years ago. Agree?

the real mobile9 wrote:

Because:

-she says "freeze my blood and test it later"

And how again is e.g. blood doping going to be detected in the future?

Pro Cyclist.

Why can you not spell the name of your team correctly. Its COLLSTROP. I too raced in Belgium from 96-98. Are you a troll??

Ok, have read most of the posts. i retract my last comment.

Did you race for IPSO in your last year? You would know Pauly Burke?

I used to live in Ecklo, Waregem and Gent.

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Troll? not sure what you mean by this. My last years racing were with Flanders-Prefetex. The name Pauly Burke doesn't ring a bell. I agree that cyclist are cynical with the drugs but I also think that the rest of the athletic world needs to open their eyes and not let their sport go down the wash like cycling has.

A great article on changing how we punish drug cheats and those around them so that cheating is no longer worth it for most athletes.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-doping-dilemma

Highlights

Life time bans

ban coaches of doped athletes 10 years

ban teammates of doped athletes shorter time

banned athletes must pay back all winnings and sponsorship money

athletes can get leniency by giving up there sources, and telling who they know is on drugs and providing evidence.

Money from cheats used to fund bonuses to scientist who find new means of testing, tests for new drugs

How about like in cycling where teams are not invited to races, runners that are sponsored by a certain brand(Nike,adidas,Puma) or have certain agents that have had clients test positive not allowed in IAAF meets. Would that pressure from the shoe companies help things out?

See I'm not being cynical just open your eyes runners.

Like I said I passed the test not that I won anything major. Be real about your sport and make a change.

Another admitted cheat who passed drug tests in his career. Discuss.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/16365137/detail.html

Olympic Gold Medalist Admits Steroids Use

Sprinter Admits Drug Use During Graham's Trial

POSTED: 1:12 pm MDT May 22, 2008

UPDATED: 1:47 pm MDT May 22, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO -- Olympic gold-medal winner Antonio Pettigrew admitted for the first time Thursday that he took performance-enhancing substances during a long, successful track and field career in which he passed all drugs tests.

The admission came during testimony in the trial of Trevor Graham. Pettigrew's former coach is accused of lying to federal authorities investigating doping in sports. He has pleaded not guilty.

Pettigrew testified that in 1997 Graham encouraged him to inject human growth hormone and the oxygen-boosting drug EPO, both of which are banned in track. Soon after, Pettigrew said he began buying the drugs from Angel "Memo" Heredia, an admitted steroids dealer from Laredo, Texas.

Once he began taking the banned substances, Pettigrew said he was able to run 400 meters in under 43 seconds for the first time.

Pettigrew initially lied to federal investigators and denied doping when they first talked to him in February 2005.

Pettigrew won a gold medal as part of the 1,600-meter relay team at the 2000 Sydney Games. He retired from track in 2002 and is now an assistant coach at the University of North Carolina.

Pro... I was "lucky" enough to be in L.A. for the Olympic 10,000 in which Alberto cova debuted EPO in front of a stunned stadium, running away from Matti Vaino, who later flunked his drug test for steroids he had been taking when he took out red blood cells to reinfuse before the Games. You're right on about us track fans having our heads in the sand.

Pro Cyclist wrote:

Troll? not sure what you mean by this. My last years racing were with Flanders-Prefetex. The name Pauly Burke doesn't ring a bell. I agree that cyclist are cynical with the drugs but I also think that the rest of the athletic world needs to open their eyes and not let their sport go down the wash like cycling has.

Hmmm, I still doubt you are an ex-pro. You said at the start of the thread you raced until 1999, and that your last team was Flanders-Prefetex. This team did not even come into formation until the 2000 season. It emerged out of the old Flanders Prefetex team, of which Pauly Burke was a member in 1999, the year you would have been part of the team. There were only 13 guys on the team at the time, so you would have known him.

Good try

Yeah, I agree as I pointed out on the first page of this thread. This guy makes a bunch of claims and allegations, which consist of nothing more than facts, rumors and innuendo one could easily glean from a third-rate cycling message board like dailypeloton.com. There is no special insight or insider knowledge in any of his postings. It's possible he's a former pro, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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Ethiopians, more likely all East Africans are not into the culture of performance enhancemnt. Speaking of Ethiopia, there are a lot of runners, I mean very talented runners who the world even never heard of. Lucky ones make it out to the world field but lots of runners are out there that are marginalized by polotics and the bureaucracy of the federation. That is why you don't see them as much as the Kenyans on international races except some major championships.

Look at some succesfull athelets who grow up in the states but are from East Africa. Meb,Fasil,bolota to name a few...they don't play with drugs. Drugs usually a sprinters thing.

PS: Alene Emere is the only runner from Ethiopia who was banned for two years for drugs some 5 or 6 years ago.

"Ethiopians, more likely all East Africans are not into the culture of performance enhancemnt."

I love these stupid generalisations.

They do seem to be into the culture of working with some very dodgy European doctors, coaches and agents though. But not doping, no never that. They're nice, smiley third worlders.

Explain how that applies to Tirunesh Dibaba, Meseret Defar, Gezahegn Abera, etc.

Did I say that every East African doped? Nope.

trollism, I'm serious. I'm from Ethiopia and I know so.

Like I said Alene Emere was the only one that was banned for dopping. He currently lives in the states and has been clean for a while. In Ethiopia there is no running camp like it is in Kenya. There are just clubs and national team. There are a lot of Kenyan runners who dominate the international road races that does not belong to any camp.

What do you say about to lots of runners from East Africa that run for other countries in Europe,USA,UAE and GBR ??

Also, what about the ones who grow up in the states but did good in college and proffesionally ??

Like I said, dopping, most of the time for sprinters. Also, it is usually athelets from the western world who seems to be dopping.