20k is well Known to be the weakest standing U.S.distance record out there. So there is nothing to argue about.
20k is well Known to be the weakest standing U.S.distance record out there. So there is nothing to argue about.
Incredible run by Hall. After seeing how well his is moving up, there should be no more talk of him as a miler. This kid ain't a miler; he's a distance runner.
FWIW, the Purdy equivalents on this are about 27:35 and mid/upper 2:08 for the marathon.
Great, great run.
Teg (7:34, 13:04), Webb (3:32, 3:48, 8:11, 13:10, 27:34), Ritz (27:35, 1:01:23), and Hall (13:16, 57:54). The future is bright and the young pups that showed such great promise in their teens have all earned their spot at the grown-ups table.
Jog my memory-what was Shay's time last year? And the overall winning time?
Zat0pek wrote:After seeing how well his is moving up
Should be "he is moving up". Damn the lack of an edit function on this board!
I don't think the AR at 20k is weak anymore. But thanks for posting.
This race and season brings up some interesting debate on what Hall's best race is for the Championship years of 2007 and 2008. 5k? 10k? Marathon? Steeple?
malmo wrote:
"The old 20k record was 58:42 by Abdi. 57:54 = 61.10 HM"
"I get a slightly different Half time, 57:54 = 1:01:17.3"
The correct answer is 1:01:04.6
The correct answer is nobody knows how much faster or slower he's going to run the last .7 or so miles so there is no "correct" equivalent time, just guesses
Hall's equiv. time beats Meb's Half time. CRAZY! Hall is going straight to the top.
Zat0pek wrote:Teg (7:34, 13:04), Webb (3:32, 3:48, 8:11, 13:10, 27:34), Ritz (27:35, 1:01:23), and Hall (13:16, 57:54). The future is bright and the young pups that showed such great promise in their teens have all earned their spot at the grown-ups table.
Five years ago all the talk was about "The Big 3" of Webb, Ritz and Hall, and Teg was right behind Ritz at World Cross Juniors.
Interesting how each of them has had various setbacks, inconsistencies and other issues, yet here we are, five years later, and that quartet is once again right at the forefront of American distance running.
Don't forget about Cabada. He went to Junior XC Champs with Teg and someone else who I forget now, but once Cabada gets back in shape, he'll be one of the top distance runners in the US, no doubt.
Webb, Ritzenhein, Tegenkamp, Cabada, Hall
cabada doesnt deserve to be mentioned among them cmon now!
Hey A..hole,
Cabada is an American Record holder.
What have you accomplished you in life time if anything?
The IAAF rates Hall's 57:54 much lower than Ritz's 1:01:25.
Ritz 1:01:25 = 1194 points on IAAF tables
13:07, 27:27, 42:03, 45:22, 57:18, 1:01:25, 1:12:55, 1:28:56, 2:08:53
Hall's 57:54 = 1168 points
13:14, 27:43, 42:29, 45:50, 57:54, 1:02:02, 1:13:40, 1:29:50, 2:10:06
Lamine Diack wrote:
The IAAF rates Hall's 57:54 much lower than Ritz's 1:01:25.
Ritz 1:01:25 = 1194 points on IAAF tables
13:07, 27:27, 42:03, 45:22, 57:18, 1:01:25, 1:12:55, 1:28:56, 2:08:53
Hall's 57:54 = 1168 points
13:14, 27:43, 42:29, 45:50, 57:54, 1:02:02, 1:13:40, 1:29:50, 2:10:06
http://www.iaaf.org/downloads/scoringtables/index.html
The Purdy strikes me as more accurate on this one, but either way it's a helluva run for Hall in the longest distance he's ever raced.
Then why did Hall slow down the last 5k?!
Vipam wrote:
It just made me wonder if Hall hadn't let them get WELL over a minute ahead of him, could he have placed higher than 11th. Just on his stats alone his last 10km showed he had alot left in the tank and I guarantee he's thinking the same thing- should he have went out alittle faster. Only a handful of runners went with Tadesse for the first 10km, yet Ryan Hall ran faster than MOST of them for the 2nd 10km and ALL of them except Tadesse for the last 5km.
Judging by his first 10km it seem Ryan had a game plan of going for the American Record and got in easily.
Vipam wrote:
It just made me wonder if Hall hadn't let them get WELL over a minute ahead of him, could he have placed higher than 11th. Just on his stats alone his last 10km showed he had alot left in the tank and I guarantee he's thinking the same thing- should he have went out alittle faster. Only a handful of runners went with Tadesse for the first 10km, yet Ryan Hall ran faster than MOST of them for the 2nd 10km and ALL of them except Tadesse for the last 5km.
Judging by his first 10km it seem Ryan had a game plan of going for the American Record and got in easily.
Um...no.
irun wrote:
Don't forget about Cabada. He went to Junior XC Champs with Teg and someone else who I forget now, but once Cabada gets back in shape, he'll be one of the top distance runners in the US, no doubt.
Webb, Ritzenhein, Tegenkamp, Cabada, Hall
Cabada was in this same 20k race and was unable to run faster than Lornah Kipligat. That is the second time that she has beat him this year. He dropped out of Steamboat 4 miler after being passed by Lornah just after 2 miles. I wonder if he would have dropped out of the 20k if they were in the same race. What other american "elite men" have been beaten by Lornah Kipligat twice this year?
great run for hall. we now have five or six guys with promise to contend at major marathons or proof of having done it, in meb, abdi, ritz, hall, culp, and maybe sell. there's no reason to split hairs and say that meb, abdi, ritz, or hall is faster at 20k/half marathon, given the different courses, field pace, conditions, slight distance variation, and roughly comparable times.
by the way, if you multiply hall's time by (21.0975/20), you get 1:01:04.63575 (of course, round up, and this is based on the bare 57:54 without decimal).
he's got some incredible range, no doubt. with his relative speed over 5k, coupled with this obvious show of strength, i'd say he'd be tough to beat over the last 8oom of a 10k by any of the top americans. let's cheer him on instead of degrade his performance with childish comments.
the big swede wrote:he's got some incredible range, no doubt. with his relative speed over 5k, coupled with this obvious show of strength, i'd say he'd be tough to beat over the last 8oom of a 10k by any of the top americans.
With this kind of strength at 20K from a kid that ran 1:51 in high school, a championship 10,000 would suit him very well.