21.8 flying start is 22.3 from blocks. That's pretty routine for a lot of 800 runners. It doesn't say he is half a second or more faster. Sprint times aren't reduced by the chunks that md and distance times might be.
I would go so far as to say 22.6 from blocks.
Using the 0.8s rule of thumb.
It's crazy to me that some of these guys think he is 21-mid from the blocks, when he has shown nothing faster that 21.8 with a massive flying start.
A lot of workout blather from folks who never coached or ran particularly fast.
His coach really impresses.
Hats off to him for keeping it all simple.
Amen. Plus, he was certainly not on fresh legs, and he wasn’t sprinting “all out.” If he was fresh and all out and running from lane 5, then maybe he runs 21.3 and all these “sprinting gurus” can add their formulaic tenths of seconds.
I maintain that he can run 21.8 RIGHT NOW in a race on fresh legs and is likely faster with more training. This should shock absolutely nobody. That would suggest he’s in 46-mid to high shape for 400 at the time of this writing. Big deal. I would not be stunned to see a sub-46 from him this year. Now, sub-45 is reaching…
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I feel like 44.5 would be enough to justify calling someone a 400/800 guy, even if they're better at 800s. A 44.5x would've been enough to get you to the 400m semis at Tokyo last year and I'd say that's pretty darn quick.
Why are we talking about 44.5 guys in the context of a 21.8 200m? That is 46.x stuff.
And guess what, his PB from May 2025 is 46.3.
46.3 an hour after a 1:47 800m. He’ll go 45 if he runs the 4 this year
A lot of workout blather from folks who never coached or ran particularly fast.
His coach really impresses.
Hats off to him for keeping it all simple.
Amen. Plus, he was certainly not on fresh legs, and he wasn’t sprinting “all out.” If he was fresh and all out and running from lane 5, then maybe he runs 21.3 and all these “sprinting gurus” can add their formulaic tenths of seconds.
I maintain that he can run 21.8 RIGHT NOW in a race on fresh legs and is likely faster with more training. This should shock absolutely nobody. That would suggest he’s in 46-mid to high shape for 400 at the time of this writing. Big deal. I would not be stunned to see a sub-46 from him this year. Now, sub-45 is reaching…
I mean he slows into the line as he goes to stop his watch. Everyone is acting like this is the best he could ever do with a running start. Nonsense.
Amen. Plus, he was certainly not on fresh legs, and he wasn’t sprinting “all out.” If he was fresh and all out and running from lane 5, then maybe he runs 21.3 and all these “sprinting gurus” can add their formulaic tenths of seconds.
I maintain that he can run 21.8 RIGHT NOW in a race on fresh legs and is likely faster with more training. This should shock absolutely nobody. That would suggest he’s in 46-mid to high shape for 400 at the time of this writing. Big deal. I would not be stunned to see a sub-46 from him this year. Now, sub-45 is reaching…
I mean he slows into the line as he goes to stop his watch. Everyone is acting like this is the best he could ever do with a running start. Nonsense.
His running form was not maxed out. The guy behind him was flailing and very maxed out.
21.8 flying start is 22.3 from blocks. That's pretty routine for a lot of 800 runners. It doesn't say he is half a second or more faster. Sprint times aren't reduced by the chunks that md and distance times might be.
I would go so far as to say 22.6 from blocks.
Using the 0.8s rule of thumb.
It's crazy to me that some of these guys think he is 21-mid from the blocks, when he has shown nothing faster that 21.8 with a massive flying start.
LAUGHABLE!
He has run 46.3 after a 1:47. Slower runners like Ovett have run the 200 in 21.8. Lutkenhaus ran 22.1 from the blocks in lousy weather two years ago (in March). The video is on his channel. Your ignorance is laughable. He’s obviously speedier than that now. Your jealousy of Lutkenhuas is OBVIOUS and a pity.
A lot of workout blather from folks who never coached or ran particularly fast.
His coach really impresses.
Hats off to him for keeping it all simple.
Amen. Plus, he was certainly not on fresh legs, and he wasn’t sprinting “all out.” If he was fresh and all out and running from lane 5, then maybe he runs 21.3 and all these “sprinting gurus” can add their formulaic tenths of seconds.
I maintain that he can run 21.8 RIGHT NOW in a race on fresh legs and is likely faster with more training. This should shock absolutely nobody. That would suggest he’s in 46-mid to high shape for 400 at the time of this writing. Big deal. I would not be stunned to see a sub-46 from him this year. Now, sub-45 is reaching…
So when has he ever run faster than 21.8 from a flying start?
lol. Letsrun has more people that just make up stuff than anywhere else.
Please point to me where 0.8 is a rule of thumb.
It has been well established that in a sprint the difference between a flying 100m and from the blocks is around 0.8 of a second. This has been demonstrated in relay times. It will be similar over 200m, which is also a sprint.
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This thread is about Cooper. Please take your weird Hocker fixation to another thread.
You missed the point. Of course. Nothing is anyone's "for the taking" unless they actually take it. Often they don't. Jakob in Paris.
Hocker and Jakob are different runners competing in different events against different competition. Their results have nothing to do with Cooper. Please stop talking about other runners from different events in a Cooper thread.
It's crazy to me that some of these guys think he is 21-mid from the blocks, when he has shown nothing faster that 21.8 with a massive flying start.
LAUGHABLE!
He has run 46.3 after a 1:47. Slower runners like Ovett have run the 200 in 21.8. Lutkenhaus ran 22.1 from the blocks in lousy weather two years ago (in March). The video is on his channel. Your ignorance is laughable. He’s obviously speedier than that now. Your jealousy of Lutkenhuas is OBVIOUS and a pity.
If he's "speedier than that now" why has he run no faster since?
You missed the point. Of course. Nothing is anyone's "for the taking" unless they actually take it. Often they don't. Jakob in Paris.
Hocker and Jakob are different runners competing in different events against different competition. Their results have nothing to do with Cooper. Please stop talking about other runners from different events in a Cooper thread.
You're a bit slow. They are simply further examples that no one can count their chickens, no matter how much they are favoured to win. That applied to those athletes just the same as it applies to Lutkenhaus.
Hocker and Jakob are different runners competing in different events against different competition. Their results have nothing to do with Cooper. Please stop talking about other runners from different events in a Cooper thread.
You're a bit slow. They are simply further examples that no one can count their chickens, no matter how much they are favoured to win. That applied to those athletes just the same as it applies to Lutkenhaus.
Don't attack me for your failure to stay on topic. Your examples are irrelevant to the subject of this thread. If you continue attacking me and or going off topic, you will be reported.
This thread is about Cooper. Please take your weird Hocker fixation to another thread.
You missed the point. Of course. Nothing is anyone's "for the taking" unless they actually take it. Often they don't. Jakob in Paris.
You’re a weird Kiwi w an axe to grind for some reason man. Jakob in what, the 1500? 5000? 10,000? Jakob hasn’t taken anything lately. Hocker took him down in the 1500 at the Olympics and then won 5000 gold last year at the WC. Where was Jakob?
I will take the other side of that bet and say Jakob’s best form is in the rear view mirror. He maxed out his body for a lot of years, and it’s very unlikely he’ll come back all the way from that Achilles surgery.
If you can’t look at that CL video and see that he was neither fresh nor all out nor in a competitive race situation from a good lane, then you are more disingenuous than I previously thought. Was the coach’s prescription for the day to warmup, do drills, then run an all out 200 from lane 5 with some teammates who get a head start? Is CL training exclusively to be the best 200/400 runner he can be?
He simply ripped a fast 200 at the end of an 800 workout, very controlled, which I’m sure gave him a ton of confidence. I’m sure CL in his mind knows he can run 45.xx for 400 this year if he cared to. I’m absolutely certain your “sprinting opinion” is completely worthless to him.
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He ran 46.30 at 16 the same day as a 1:47 and five months before running 1:42.27, so who in their right mind would not think he is a sub-46 runner now at 17 with faster workouts??
And if he is a sub-46 guy and runs 21.8 in a workout, by what stretch of the imagination could he not run mid 21 or better FAT right now? He hasn't done it yet because they don't race him at 200m indoors before a world indoor championship. I would bet that he will run at least one 400m outdoors, so we'll see. We may well also see a sub-4 this year. No one knows what will happen in any world indoor race that is physical with Europeans in the mix, but with Josh Hoey injured, there's no one with his current ability in the field.