What would be the motivation for a Masters athlete to dope? I mean, it can't be for money or potential sponsorship. I am a masters runner and, granted, I am not an age-group record holder, but I manage to place at regionals. I run for the love of the sport and for fun. Based on fellow masters runners whom I know, they run for same reasons.
How many of the posters on this thread have actually tried TRT? I have been on and off it for years and can tell you its nothing special for distance running. For sprints and lifting sure, but not so much for pounding out the miles on feet that feel like cement blocks from the water bloating. My cardio always improves within days of taking break from TRT.
What would be the motivation for a Masters athlete to dope? I mean, it can't be for money or potential sponsorship. I am a masters runner and, granted, I am not an age-group record holder, but I manage to place at regionals. I run for the love of the sport and for fun. Based on fellow masters runners whom I know, they run for same reasons.
A particular Masters runner (EH) was popped for PEDs more than once years ago. Why? He would make a few thousand dollars winning smaller races.
I would say that he would be subject A in a study of Masters runners and PEDs.
I'll also include that no person who is old enough to be a Masters runner needs HRT, that the usage of HRT is cheating and that HRT is why wife-beating is all over the news like it was when NFL players used steroids.
What would be the motivation for a Masters athlete to dope? I mean, it can't be for money or potential sponsorship. I am a masters runner and, granted, I am not an age-group record holder, but I manage to place at regionals. I run for the love of the sport and for fun. Based on fellow masters runners whom I know, they run for same reasons.
A particular Masters runner (EH) was popped for PEDs more than once years ago. Why? He would make a few thousand dollars winning smaller races.
I would say that he would be subject A in a study of Masters runners and PEDs.
I'll also include that no person who is old enough to be a Masters runner needs HRT, that the usage of HRT is cheating and that HRT is why wife-beating is all over the news like it was when NFL players used steroids.
What would be the motivation for a Masters athlete to dope? I mean, it can't be for money or potential sponsorship. I am a masters runner and, granted, I am not an age-group record holder, but I manage to place at regionals. I run for the love of the sport and for fun. Based on fellow masters runners whom I know, they run for same reasons.
A particular Masters runner (EH) was popped for PEDs more than once years ago. Why? He would make a few thousand dollars winning smaller races.
I would say that he would be subject A in a study of Masters runners and PEDs.
I'll also include that no person who is old enough to be a Masters runner needs HRT, that the usage of HRT is cheating and that HRT is why wife-beating is all over the news like it was when NFL players used steroids.
Since that was 22 years ago I am going to say that's probably not the best subject A in your study. What Eddie was popped for would probably be much different than what today's Masters are taking and hopefully the test have improved (although I doubt it) since then.
A particular Masters runner (EH) was popped for PEDs more than once years ago. Why? He would make a few thousand dollars winning smaller races.
I would say that he would be subject A in a study of Masters runners and PEDs.
I'll also include that no person who is old enough to be a Masters runner needs HRT, that the usage of HRT is cheating and that HRT is why wife-beating is all over the news like it was when NFL players used steroids.
Since that was 22 years ago I am going to say that's probably not the best subject A in your study. What Eddie was popped for would probably be much different than what today's Masters are taking and hopefully the test have improved (although I doubt it) since then.
A particular Masters runner (EH) was popped for PEDs more than once years ago. Why? He would make a few thousand dollars winning smaller races.
I would say that he would be subject A in a study of Masters runners and PEDs.
I'll also include that no person who is old enough to be a Masters runner needs HRT, that the usage of HRT is cheating and that HRT is why wife-beating is all over the news like it was when NFL players used steroids.
It's not so much the money as it is ego.
For EH? It was money. In an interview years ago in a publication I won't mention here...he made $55,000 in one year while on EPO. That is only decent money now but a lot over 20 years ago.
Since that was 22 years ago I am going to say that's probably not the best subject A in your study. What Eddie was popped for would probably be much different than what today's Masters are taking and hopefully the test have improved (although I doubt it) since then.
No...it was EPO... just like now.
I would guess most Masters athletes are going with Testosterone for their cheating of choice. Much easier to get.
For EH? It was money. In an interview years ago in a publication I won't mention here...he made $55,000 in one year while on EPO. That is only decent money now but a lot over 20 years ago.
Certainly. Money feeds the ego. Maybe he was also desperate because he had no other marketable skills.
Here's the deal, since people on here buy and repeat the lame "it's primarily for health reasons" excuse. NONE of the anti-ageing modalities like HRT are medically necessary. Only in very rare cases, and those cases would certainly not be out competing for masters running or cycling or triathlon or bodybuilding medals. It's like cosmetic surgery. Or wearing a ball cap backwards. It's an elective choice for those that can afford it.
Also, there are no TUEs for testosterone. Its performance benefits are too large.
I think this really shows what the problem is. Someone whose life could be better by taking testosterone may be forced to choose between making his life better or getting banned from the sport for a PED violation.
Also, there are no TUEs for testosterone. Its performance benefits are too large.
I think this really shows what the problem is. Someone whose life could be better by taking testosterone may be forced to choose between making his life better or getting banned from the sport for a PED violation.
Yep just like steroids or EPO. Might make you feel better or run faster or look better or whatever but you don't get to compete against those that aren't cheating.
I think this really shows what the problem is. Someone whose life could be better by taking testosterone may be forced to choose between making his life better or getting banned from the sport for a PED violation.
Yep just like steroids or EPO. Might make you feel better or run faster or look better or whatever but you don't get to compete against those that aren't cheating.
The last guy on the OP initial list (RQ), a college professor who competed in the 70-74 AG wasn’t just taking T. He was injecting himself with 3 different steroids. He certainly wasn’t doing it for the money. A classic case of an egomaniac.
I see where he is sniffing around on social media trying to make “nice nice” knowing that his suspension will be up soon. Any masters runner should give him the cold shoulder that he rightly deserves.
How many of the posters on this thread have actually tried TRT? I have been on and off it for years and can tell you its nothing special for distance running. For sprints and lifting sure, but not so much for pounding out the miles on feet that feel like cement blocks from the water bloating. My cardio always improves within days of taking break from TRT.
Nothing will beat EPO for the dopers.
I would think the primary benefit would be to allow for increased volume/intensity of training w/o getting injured. I do know one woman in her 50s who’s on T now, and she’s talked about massive improvements in fitness.
Lots of posts in this thread make it sound like most who are prescribed TRT are getting in for legitimate medical purposes. I guarantee you this is not the case, ime (I’m a doc) nearly all Rx’s are written by medspas or other quacks and do not fit within accepted medical guidelines. It’s not hard at all to get a script these days and it’s far more common than most would think.
Also, there are no TUEs for testosterone. Its performance benefits are too large.
I think this really shows what the problem is. Someone whose life could be better by taking testosterone may be forced to choose between making his life better or getting banned from the sport for a PED violation.
This is simplistic. The root issue is Peter Pan syndrome.
How many of the posters on this thread have actually tried TRT? I have been on and off it for years and can tell you its nothing special for distance running. For sprints and lifting sure, but not so much for pounding out the miles on feet that feel like cement blocks from the water bloating. My cardio always improves within days of taking break from TRT.
Nothing will beat EPO for the dopers.
I would think the primary benefit would be to allow for increased volume/intensity of training w/o getting injured. I do know one woman in her 50s who’s on T now, and she’s talked about massive improvements in fitness.
Lots of posts in this thread make it sound like most who are prescribed TRT are getting in for legitimate medical purposes. I guarantee you this is not the case, ime (I’m a doc) nearly all Rx’s are written by medspas or other quacks and do not fit within accepted medical guidelines. It’s not hard at all to get a script these days and it’s far more common than most would think.
TRT does not prevent injury for distance runners. If anything, many older guys push too hard on TRT but their tendons and ligaments cannot handle the increased load. Not to mention you tend to get heavier due to the water weight at heavier doses unless you are using fast acting esters which carry their own set of challenges.
Using a woman as an example is not apples to apples. TRT suppresses natural production in men whereas women produce a fraction of that.
Again, several of you are comparing EPO to TRT - it ain't even close for distance runners.
I would think the primary benefit would be to allow for increased volume/intensity of training w/o getting injured. I do know one woman in her 50s who’s on T now, and she’s talked about massive improvements in fitness.
Lots of posts in this thread make it sound like most who are prescribed TRT are getting in for legitimate medical purposes. I guarantee you this is not the case, ime (I’m a doc) nearly all Rx’s are written by medspas or other quacks and do not fit within accepted medical guidelines. It’s not hard at all to get a script these days and it’s far more common than most would think.
TRT does not prevent injury for distance runners. If anything, many older guys push too hard on TRT but their tendons and ligaments cannot handle the increased load. Not to mention you tend to get heavier due to the water weight at heavier doses unless you are using fast acting esters which carry their own set of challenges.
Using a woman as an example is not apples to apples. TRT suppresses natural production in men whereas women produce a fraction of that.
Again, several of you are comparing EPO to TRT - it ain't even close for distance runners.
I would have to re-read the entire thread but I don't think anyone compared the two. We did say that most Masters (non-pros) would be on TRT instead of EPO because it's much easier to get.
Now if you are claiming TRT doesn't have a benefit to runners then we have something to talk about. It clearly does and it creates a complete advantage and is banned.
TRT does not prevent injury for distance runners. If anything, many older guys push too hard on TRT but their tendons and ligaments cannot handle the increased load. Not to mention you tend to get heavier due to the water weight at heavier doses unless you are using fast acting esters which carry their own set of challenges.
Using a woman as an example is not apples to apples. TRT suppresses natural production in men whereas women produce a fraction of that.
Again, several of you are comparing EPO to TRT - it ain't even close for distance runners.
I would have to re-read the entire thread but I don't think anyone compared the two. We did say that most Masters (non-pros) would be on TRT instead of EPO because it's much easier to get.
Now if you are claiming TRT doesn't have a benefit to runners then we have something to talk about. It clearly does and it creates a complete advantage and is banned.
Have you ever actually taken TRT for distance running? Yeah, that's what I thought.
