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5 months ago 12/27/2025 9:58am EST

re: Awsi Dooger

Awsi Dooger wrote:
justanothercuriousdude wrote:
Still haven’t heard anything about the cause of death. But Norwegian media report that the athlete was wearing an altitude mask (reduced O2) when he was found dead…
Link:www.nrk.no/sport/avdode-sivert-guttorm...
Every other site immediately shifted attention to that new piece of information.
But naturally here everybody ignored it and the anti-vax simpletons continued on that blockhead path

Bakken reportedly had been open about contracting heart problems following his third dose of the COVID-9 vaccine in 2022.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 10:50am EST

re: wondering the answer

wondering the answer wrote:
Anyone know if Ryan Shay and Hank Gathers were fully vaxxed when they did suddenly?
As someone who was vaxxed fully initially but doesn't do it anymore, i just want to remind everyone it's ok to ask questions but elite athletes were dropping dead in their primes long before the Covid vax was invented.

Go back farther and add Drenth to the list. Or is it the water in Northern Michigan.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 11:20am EST

re: Khcchkkch

facts, posters. posters, facts. i gather you two are unacquainted.

he had surgery for a heart rhythm issue before covid even started.

he had pericarditis inflammation of the sac around the heart, not myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle.

and then dude dies wearing an altitude mask and you're like, ah, obviously the vaccine. not the fact he was doing exercise while simulating an altitude where people routinely fall over and die from hypoxia and such. or keel over from a heart attack. you're not friends with mr. occam then, either.

fact-free clowns.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 12:30pm EST

re: Khcchkkch

"Goth antivaxxer refuses to listen to 'The Cure'."

5 months ago 12/27/2025 1:17pm EST

re: We know the factors

We know the factors wrote:
babaganosh wrote:
Dan, take a minute and think about some of the factors that might influence why outcomes might seem different in the poorest place on earth (whether it be data collection, travel, etc).
There is RCT data showing better outcomes with original COVID, followed by lots of observational data showing similar effectiveness in that first year, followed by rapidly waning effectiveness as the virus moved into endemic stages.
There is nothing wrong with admitting it worked well initially but that our public health messaging/policy was overzealous and/or slow to pivot as information changed.
It doesn't have to be some big conspiracy (although I'll admit the money in drug development isn't ideal when it comes to influencing policy in general)
The US factors were: 1. Intubation 2. Remdesavir

You're probably the same poster who will constantly quote the 54% death rate with Remdesevir, conveniently ignoring the fact that the number came in a trial of Ebola patients where the placebo group had a 75% mortality rate (and then ignore me on threads when I point it out and move on to some other point).

Genuinely, you've got no clue. You weren't treating patients in that first year.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 1:46pm EST

re: wondering the answer

wondering the answer wrote:
Anyone know if Ryan Shay and Hank Gathers were fully vaxxed when they did suddenly?
As someone who was vaxxed fully initially but doesn't do it anymore, i just want to remind everyone it's ok to ask questions but elite athletes were dropping dead in their primes long before the Covid vax was invented.

So that means the jab has not killed anyone? Because people died before the jab existed?

5 months ago 12/27/2025 1:51pm EST

re: Newname

I think it's pretty well documented that Pre, Nurmi, Bikela, and Van Damme all succumbed tot the covid vax. Sad tragedy going back decades. They'd all still be with us.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 3:39pm EST

re: mxmtos

These Covid threads aren’t the same since Harambe left us.

RIP, my hairy friend.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 4:27pm EST

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
4 Minute Mi-liar wrote:
DALLAS, August 22, 2022 — In a detailed analysis of nearly 43 million people, the risk of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals after COVID-19 infection was at least 11 times higher compared to people who developed myocarditis after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine or booster dose, according to new research published today in the American Heart Association’s flagship, peer-reviewed journal Circulation. This analysis included data from England’s National Immunization database for people ages 13 and older who received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine between December 1, 2020 and December 15, 2021 in England.
Baloney. The jab now prevents heart problems?

It doesn't prevent heart problems, it actually increases your risk slightly in that department. But the disease the vaccine prevents (covid) carries with it a much larger risk of developing heart problems. Therefore getting vaccinated when covid was rampant can decrease your risk of heart issues.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 4:29pm EST

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
babaganosh wrote:
Dan, take a minute and think about some of the factors that might influence why outcomes might seem different in the poorest place on earth (whether it be data collection, travel, etc).
There is RCT data showing better outcomes with original COVID, followed by lots of observational data showing similar effectiveness in that first year, followed by rapidly waning effectiveness as the virus moved into endemic stages.
There is nothing wrong with admitting it worked well initially but that our public health messaging/policy was overzealous and/or slow to pivot as information changed.
It doesn't have to be some big conspiracy (although I'll admit the money in drug development isn't ideal when it comes to influencing policy in general)
3,600 to 10.

Why not just look at actual rigorous long term data as opposed to making multiple leaps of assumption based on likely sketchy reporting from the poorest countries in the world?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305

Published this month - four years of followup data from those vaccinated in 2021, looking at all-cause mortality among millions of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. No difference in all-cause mortality.

Again, I don't think the COVID vaccines are particularly useful at present (and their usefulness has declined precipitously since that first year). I also think public health policy was slow to pivot with new information. But this scaremongering of the "clot-shot" based on crazy leaps of assumption, usually quoting substack articles needs to stop. The vaccines aren't killing people en masse.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 4:32pm EST

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
wondering the answer wrote:
Anyone know if Ryan Shay and Hank Gathers were fully vaxxed when they did suddenly?
As someone who was vaxxed fully initially but doesn't do it anymore, i just want to remind everyone it's ok to ask questions but elite athletes were dropping dead in their primes long before the Covid vax was invented.
So that means the jab has not killed anyone? Because people died before the jab existed?

Plz reply to the recent French study I posted a couple pages back: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305

You can posit all the theories and share all the anecdotes you want about the harm the vaccine has done, but at some point that needs to show up in the mortality data.

Where are the bodies from these covid-vax fatalities? There aren't any in France, we now know that.

This post was edited 24 seconds after it was posted.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 5:02pm EST

re: KelsunCA

He was "diagnosed with a heart condition in 2022" after getting the clot shots, and now "he has died suddenly."

5 months ago 12/27/2025 5:35pm EST

re: babaganosh

babaganosh wrote:
Newname wrote:
3,600 to 10.
Why not just look at actual rigorous long term data as opposed to making multiple leaps of assumption based on likely sketchy reporting from the poorest countries in the world?
Link:jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkop...
Published this month - four years of followup data from those vaccinated in 2021, looking at all-cause mortality among millions of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. No difference in all-cause mortality.
Again, I don't think the COVID vaccines are particularly useful at present (and their usefulness has declined precipitously since that first year). I also think public health policy was slow to pivot with new information. But this scaremongering of the "clot-shot" based on crazy leaps of assumption, usually quoting substack articles needs to stop. The vaccines aren't killing people en masse.

Ages 18 to 59 only. 45% of the French population was excluded.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 6:38pm EST

re: the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_

the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_ wrote:
babaganosh wrote:
Why not just look at actual rigorous long term data as opposed to making multiple leaps of assumption based on likely sketchy reporting from the poorest countries in the world?
Link:jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkop...
Published this month - four years of followup data from those vaccinated in 2021, looking at all-cause mortality among millions of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. No difference in all-cause mortality.
Again, I don't think the COVID vaccines are particularly useful at present (and their usefulness has declined precipitously since that first year). I also think public health policy was slow to pivot with new information. But this scaremongering of the "clot-shot" based on crazy leaps of assumption, usually quoting substack articles needs to stop. The vaccines aren't killing people en masse.
Ages 18 to 59 only. 45% of the French population was excluded.

Most studies will not include every possible demographic. In any case, it captures the population we are often talking about on here.

So, instead of data from millions, encompassing the majority of the population, what large scale data do you have which supports significant harm from the vaccine?

Again, I do not vaccinate against COVID at present as I do not feel it is a particularly useful intervention at present (and I believe data bears this out, at least measured against my own personal motivators). It's fine to be critical about interventions after you've looked at the effect size.

However, when you espouse constant unsupported hyperbole about the harms of an intervention, you are going to look like a crackpot conspiracy theorist. If vaccines were so harmful, you'd think there would be some signal in 23 million people over four years.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 7:00pm EST

re: babaganosh

babaganosh wrote:
the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_ wrote:
Ages 18 to 59 only. 45% of the French population was excluded.
Most studies will not include every possible demographic. In any case, it captures the population we are often talking about on here.
So, instead of data from millions, encompassing the majority of the population, what large scale data do you have which supports significant harm from the vaccine?
Again, I do not vaccinate against COVID at present as I do not feel it is a particularly useful intervention at present (and I believe data bears this out, at least measured against my own personal motivators). It's fine to be critical about interventions after you've looked at the effect size.
However, when you espouse constant unsupported hyperbole about the harms of an intervention, you are going to look like a crackpot conspiracy theorist. If vaccines were so harmful, you'd think there would be some signal in 23 million people over four years.

My main argument for 5 years has been that the so called vaccines are unnecessary for the overwhelming majority of people.

Covid is still out there and you believe the vax is no longer a useful intervention ?

I got my vax from Omicron. Bill Gates said so. Made it through a brief 2 day illness better than a lot of people who were sick for a week or more as the result of a vax reaction.

5 months ago 12/27/2025 7:27pm EST

re: babaganosh

babaganosh wrote:
Newname wrote:
3,600 to 10.
Why not just look at actual rigorous long term data as opposed to making multiple leaps of assumption based on likely sketchy reporting from the poorest countries in the world?
Link:jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkop...
Published this month - four years of followup data from those vaccinated in 2021, looking at all-cause mortality among millions of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. No difference in all-cause mortality.
Again, I don't think the COVID vaccines are particularly useful at present (and their usefulness has declined precipitously since that first year). I also think public health policy was slow to pivot with new information. But this scaremongering of the "clot-shot" based on crazy leaps of assumption, usually quoting substack articles needs to stop. The vaccines aren't killing people en masse.

"Likely sketchy" ? Is that a joke ?

U.S. 3600 per Million.
Ivory Coast 27 per Million.

3600 is 133 times greater than 27.

Are you really a doctor ? Holy d0g$h1t

5 months ago 12/27/2025 10:14pm EST

re: the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_

the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_ wrote:
babaganosh wrote:
Why not just look at actual rigorous long term data as opposed to making multiple leaps of assumption based on likely sketchy reporting from the poorest countries in the world?
Link:jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkop...
Published this month - four years of followup data from those vaccinated in 2021, looking at all-cause mortality among millions of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. No difference in all-cause mortality.
Again, I don't think the COVID vaccines are particularly useful at present (and their usefulness has declined precipitously since that first year). I also think public health policy was slow to pivot with new information. But this scaremongering of the "clot-shot" based on crazy leaps of assumption, usually quoting substack articles needs to stop. The vaccines aren't killing people en masse.
"Likely sketchy" ? Is that a joke ?
U.S. 3600 per Million.
Ivory Coast 27 per Million.
3600 is 133 times greater than 27.
Are you really a doctor ? Holy d0g$h1t

What do you make of the French study Danny boy?

5 months ago 12/28/2025 2:14am EST

re: the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_

the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_ wrote:
babaganosh wrote:
Why not just look at actual rigorous long term data as opposed to making multiple leaps of assumption based on likely sketchy reporting from the poorest countries in the world?
Link:jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkop...
Published this month - four years of followup data from those vaccinated in 2021, looking at all-cause mortality among millions of vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. No difference in all-cause mortality.
Again, I don't think the COVID vaccines are particularly useful at present (and their usefulness has declined precipitously since that first year). I also think public health policy was slow to pivot with new information. But this scaremongering of the "clot-shot" based on crazy leaps of assumption, usually quoting substack articles needs to stop. The vaccines aren't killing people en masse.
"Likely sketchy" ? Is that a joke ?
U.S. 3600 per Million.
Ivory Coast 27 per Million.
3600 is 133 times greater than 27.
Are you really a doctor ? Holy d0g$h1t

This is my exact point about these discussions on this website:

Instead of you actually reading and responding to a real observational study (posted by more than one user) looking at millions of vaccine recipients and non-recipients alike, you ignore the high quality data showing no significant harms from vaccines.

Instead, you point to per capita COVID mortality (in absolute figures, not as a percentage of COVID cases) published (maybe, as you haven't provided any linked data) by some of the poorest countries in the world where many people don't have accurate birth certificates, let alone accurate reporting on cause of death. Countries that have ongoing higher priorities (famine, war, Ebola) and who likely had limited access to testing.

You repeat the death disparity as nauseum as if it someone is the smoking gun which proves a point that vaccines are harmful.

Surely you can admit that, were COVID vaccines actually causing death, we would expect to see some difference in outcomes in cohorts of millions of people, four years out?

5 months ago 12/28/2025 2:16am EST

re: babaganosh

Ad nauseum*

Somehow*

5 months ago 12/28/2025 9:43am EST

re: the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_

the_real_DanM_from_Massachusetts_ wrote:
My main argument for 5 years has been that the so called vaccines are unnecessary for the overwhelming majority of people.

I guess we all owe you an apology for thinking that you were trying to implicate, without evidence, the covid vaccines as being responsible for the many death notices you've posted over the past 5 years of virtually anyone with a connection to covid vaccination.

Kind of like you're doing on this thread.

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