The issue is not knowing what the suspension of the athlete (in this case Mr S.Clevenger, former Iowa State, age 22 in January 2026) could create a situation where innuendo, rumor and false allegations may thrive which is not good for the athlete or anyone else concerned.
Hopefully with the coming of the new semester in January 2026 - we can put this behind us and move on in a productive way.
Thank you and happy holidays.
Ghost1,
I've always appreciated your input/insight into European runners.
You've really latched into the defense of this guy. Why is that? He had a big jump in fitness obviously, but he still would have most likely finished outside of All American status had he run NCAAs
Just curious about the intrigue...Merry Xmas.
One can be and ambivalent about this athlete, Seth Clevenger. On the one hand this athlete can stay at 3:50/8:10/14:20 type standard, or one can optimistically believe he's progressed to 13:40/28:20 standard, even though that may be wishful thinking. I've stuck my neck out and gone for the optimistic view on this occasion.
The negativity surrounding this athlete is what is depressing and I think it's good that a few people are trying to add a little bit of balance to the story and as I said earlier in one post this kid is not a criminal by any means as far as we can gather. Give the kid a chance.
One can be and ambivalent about this athlete, Seth Clevenger. On the one hand this athlete can stay at 3:50/8:10/14:20 type standard, or one can optimistically believe he's progressed to 13:40/28:20 standard, even though that may be wishful thinking. I've stuck my neck out and gone for the optimistic view on this occasion.
The negativity surrounding this athlete is what is depressing and I think it's good that a few people are trying to add a little bit of balance to the story and as I said earlier in one post this kid is not a criminal by any means as far as we can gather. Give the kid a chance.
One can be optimistic, but that is just wishful thinking at this point. Enough people I know and trust (including a kid on the team I've known since HS but will keep unnamed per his request) have said that all the guys removed from the team, Seth included, was either for taking EPO or taking HGH. They all doped and honestly it is so sh*t if these cheaters do not pay the consequences and are banned from the NCAA.
One can be and ambivalent about this athlete, Seth Clevenger. On the one hand this athlete can stay at 3:50/8:10/14:20 type standard, or one can optimistically believe he's progressed to 13:40/28:20 standard, even though that may be wishful thinking. I've stuck my neck out and gone for the optimistic view on this occasion.
The negativity surrounding this athlete is what is depressing and I think it's good that a few people are trying to add a little bit of balance to the story and as I saTheearlier in one post this kid is not a criminal by any means as far as we can gather. Give the kid a chance.
One can be optimistic, but that is just wishful thinking at this point. Enough people I know and trust (including a kid on the team I've known since HS but will keep unnamed per his request) have said that all the guys removed from the team, Seth included, was either for taking EPO or taking HGH. They all doped and honestly it is so sh*t if these cheaters do not pay the consequences and are banned from the NCAA.
If what you say is true then I can understand your position but I think you're the first person on this thread who has come out and directly said that the runners kicked off the team (Iowa State) were kicked off because they had used EPO and/or HGH.
I'm not saying you're a liar but I'm not sure about the veracity of your claim - sorry. I had heard that others claimed that the runners were kicked off the team for "breaking a team rule" without the specifics of the team rule that was broken.
Breaking "Team rules" in college athletics can mean anything, and I remember in some colleges, a few varsity athletes had been kicked off for engaging in hazing and undermining new recruits. Just saying. Trivial, yes, but rules are rules.
Lastly, it would be surprising for Rowan University to accept and admit a college runner who had engaged (and admitted to using) in the aforementioned infractions. Am I missing something?
If what you say is true then I can understand your position but I think you're the first person on this thread who has come out and directly said that the runners kicked off the team (Iowa State) were kicked off because they had used EPO and/or HGH.
I'm not saying you're a liar but I'm not sure about the veracity of your claim - sorry. I had heard that others claimed that the runners were kicked off the team for "breaking a team rule" without the specifics of the team rule that was broken.
Breaking "Team rules" in college athletics can mean anything, and I remember in some colleges, a few varsity athletes had been kicked off for engaging in hazing and undermining new recruits. Just saying. Trivial, yes, but rules are rules.
Lastly, it would be surprising for Rowan University to accept and admit a college runner who had engaged (and admitted to using) in the aforementioned infractions. Am I missing something?
Not the first, a post with the names and who was on what got removed by an admin or someone reporting it. Also another reason we apparently can't use any name other than Seth's in this thread. But yeah the team rules broken was these kids doping. But probably a matter of time before this gets removed too because people get mad at the truth.
One can be optimistic, but that is just wishful thinking at this point. Enough people I know and trust (including a kid on the team I've known since HS but will keep unnamed per his request) have said that all the guys removed from the team, Seth included, was either for taking EPO or taking HGH. They all doped and honestly it is so sh*t if these cheaters do not pay the consequences and are banned from the NCAA.
If what you say is true then I can understand your position but I think you're the first person on this thread who has come out and directly said that the runners kicked off the team (Iowa State) were kicked off because they had used EPO and/or HGH.
I'm not saying you're a liar but I'm not sure about the veracity of your claim - sorry. I had heard that others claimed that the runners were kicked off the team for "breaking a team rule" without the specifics of the team rule that was broken.
Breaking "Team rules" in college athletics can mean anything, and I remember in some colleges, a few varsity athletes had been kicked off for engaging in hazing and undermining new recruits. Just saying. Trivial, yes, but rules are rules.
Lastly, it would be surprising for Rowan University to accept and admit a college runner who had engaged (and admitted to using) in the aforementioned infractions. Am I missing something?
Whatever he did, it was serious enough that he got kicked off the team. Also serious enough that a runner with his credentials is somehow not getting picked up by any other D1 programs.
He got suspended. He is transferring to a D3 school. Why do you want every runner to be D1?
Seth, I'm talking to you directly. It's hard for me to think of anything off the top of my head that is more embarrassing and pathetic than losing your scholarship and getting kicked out of school for being a lying, cheating scumbag, except maybe doing all of that and then transferring to a D3 commuter school to make yourself feel better for wasting your life.
He got suspended. He is transferring to a D3 school. Why do you want every runner to be D1?
He ran 23:37 at Nuttycomb. With XC credentials like that, he would be big addition to virtually any program in the US outside of the all international tier of Iowa, Oklahoma and NM. Lots of places, including good schools, would offer scholarships and NIL money for that level. Seems odd that he chose a D3 school instead don’t ya think?
He wasn't top 7 on his team and the 6th and 7th runners weren't top 100 at nationals. He wouldn't score on the track in a power 4 conference. Money is for scoring and for future scoring. He isn't a HS senior with 4 years of eligibility.
He wasn't top 7 on his team and the 6th and 7th runners weren't top 100 at nationals. He wouldn't score on the track in a power 4 conference. Money is for scoring and for future scoring. He isn't a HS senior with 4 years of eligibility.
He finished 1 spot behind Sahlman and 2 ahead of Tayvon Kitchen. He was 39s behind Habtom Samuels. If he replicates that performance, he is all American and scoring in every NCAA conference.
True but he wasn't top 7 on his team and 2 of the guys were outside of the top 100. His Lacctic rating is 20 seconds behind Kitchen and Sahlman. He obviously had the race of his life thst day while they did not.
The difference is that Silva never touched that stuff. He got tossed out for being weird at a party, but he was always an elite talent. Clevenger, on the other hand, was a ticking time bomb. He was DM’ing faster runners back in high school asking for “training advice,” desperately wanting to be someone he just wasn’t. He was painfully average at Iowa State—and that’s fine. Most people are. What wasn’t fine is that he couldn’t accept it. Instead of coming to terms with reality, he tried to brute-force his way into relevance. We’ve seen this exact arc before—Shea Foster and plenty of others—where someone magically goes from nobody to All-American in a year and everyone just nods along and says, “Wow, he trained hard.” That narrative is completely ridiculous. It’s not admirable, it’s not logical, and it shouldn’t be celebrated. The responsible move would’ve been to hit the library, leverage the education he was given, and realize, “I need a job in four years.” Like the rest of the NCAA.
That's right. I checked and neither brother is on the squad. Names are in alphabetical order.
They do have a kid (Freshman) by the name of Professor CEO, who's a jumper. Love that name!
Back to the subject of this thread what's happened to the Clevenger brothers? Why are they not on the squad?
I get the feeling that some of the things said about Seth are a combination of exaggeration and hyperbole. Of course there's no smoke without fire but I believe he's being demonized more than he deserves. I feel bad for him. Dude's a kid. Still learning.
