People called me ridiculous for saying doping is very common in colllege

I do think there was a coverup. Yes, some have allegedly been banned, but, without really saying why, and who, and for how long.

Most of what you listed is not public.

As can be gleaned from the context, "2%?", "5%?" is me asking "Catharsisisistic af" what he means by "very common". The right answer doesn't depend on my guesses, or their bases. But if you need me to provide a basis, before you provide yours, we can always start with the 1-2% positive test results from WADA, among those athletes who are tested.

A "lack of testing" is an explicit concession of a "lack of data".

The same reason people don't want to believe anything that isn't the status quo - wishful and fearful thinking working hand in hand.

Because the thought that college kids would be cheating at sports is a scary and depressing thing to have to entertain on many levels. So it's much easier to wishfully think that it's a ridiculous assertion that it's common and widespread (and probably is even far worse than most skeptics think).

These two mental gymnastics are why the term "conspiracy theory" gained so much power and why critical thinking has been slowly leached out of society, making us collectively more stupid and susceptible to manipulation.

I think anyone who cheated should get gassed and anyone that defamed innocent runners get burned alive.

Are Lou Reed and Gang of Four also fake AI music? What of Fine Young Cannibals? Elvis?

Its ridiculously common,especially in division 1. It gets a bit suspicious when one college alone has multiple men running 100 meters under 10 seconds in the same year.

Athlete surveys showing many more championship level athletes dope than fail tests; officially estimated prevalence of doping that puts it at up to 80 per cent or more in some sports; top athletes who have incurred violations, that include Olympic and world champions and world record holders (Chepnegitich); the inability of antidoping to catch most dopers since numbers caught are far exceeded by those doping (acknowledged by WADA and antidoping experts). Hence the phrase, "only the dumb and the careless are caught". Lastly, the incentives to dope that offer success beyond what is naturally possible and for some fame and financial reward, which means that there will be those who act on those incentives.

I know you will cavil all of these and declare they aren't "data" - all relevant information is data, including anecdote and not just statistics - and your statistics will not generally be available because doped athletes don't volunteer to be subjects of scientific research. But the above indicate that, as in all sports, doping has become the perceived passport to success at the top. It isn't the recreational athletes' practice.

I don't favour any athlete.

Surveys of top collegiate and pro athletes shows that there is nearly no doping that goes uncaught. Similar surveys show that doping is much more common at the high school level where testing is nonexistent. Athletes are willing to take the risk in order to earn college scholarships.

Doping mostly goes uncaught because the drugs are often masked and don't show up in tests. Athletes also learn how to micro dose so that tests or the biopassport don't pick it up. The former head of WADA David Howman said doping consistently remains ahead of antidoping.

Surveys of top athletes contradict your claims. And your statement about top athletes responding that doping is much more widespread is a lie. I realize that it is very difficult for you to see so many females surpass Tuohy. Your only recourse is to accuse every one of them of doping. She should have earned her wins honestly. But then you never would have heard about her.

Hey Joker. I answered your question -- now it's your turn.

What is "50% is optimistic" based on? You told me to look at the ISU coverup, but before you told me it might not even be connected to doping.

Well it does not appear in this story that there has ever been a failed drug test.

Only rumour and innuendo, so yes it was just a dream.

Sure, let's do this with all relevant information, and call all of it "data".

Recall, I described all of "of the dumb and careless who dope", and you told me that "Most of those you so describe are at the top of the sport." In other words, fewer (less than half) of the dumb and careless are below the top.

Let's just start with the first word: "Most". This seems to require some form of quantitative data, not only about the "top" but also about the rest in the "middle" and at the "bottom", in order to make the necessary comparison, before you can conclude "most". For example, we are in a thread about doping in college. Did college athletes participate in these athlete surveys you mention? Are they even subject to testing? Even the dumbest and most careless college dopers will never be caught if they are never tested. Surely these untested dumb, careless, college dopers outnumber the "top" dumb, careless dopers. Do you have comparative data?

Where in your paragraph can I find the data that shows that "Most are at the top" as compared to the rest of the world population, not at the top?

He was pretty right

I was a 1:49 800m and 4:07 miler in college. I did everything I could from diet, training, sleep, prioritization, mindset training, everything. That’s about as good as it gets for me.

From the age of 12 I had a dream, and that was to be a pro runner someday. I saw athletes like Symmonds and Brazier ripping around the track and outkicking the competition with a gutsy final push and I wanted that to be me someday. I visualized making varsity on my HS track team and I did it. I visualized being the fastest guy on the team and I did it. I visualized winning my first meet and I did it. I visualized being regional champion and I did it. I visualized being a state champ, and I didn’t quite pull it off but I felt like I could be as good as the people that beat me if I kept working at it. I visualized surpassing them in college and I did it. I visualized winning my first NCAA regionals, and I didn’t pull it off. The winning time was 1:47.high and I ran a 1:50.low. People were qualifying for NCAAs running sub 1:48 and I’d ran 1:49.low as a PB. People were getting contracts at 1:46 and I’d ran a 1:49.low PB. I started researching PEDs and how they could help my particular case (adequate speed to be a pro 800m runner, that 800m X factor, but just slightly too weak aerobically) out of frustration because I had given it everything I had and some and I wasn’t getting what I wanted out of it. I came to the conclusion that I could probably run at least around 1:45 and 3:55 if I hopped on PEDs. In a twisted way, I could’ve kept the dream alive, and I knew from the methods portrayed in this thread that it was likely I could get away with it. I ultimately decided not to, but I very seriously considered it.

The win at all costs mentality is a requirement to run at the highest level, and if you are even somewhat ethically compromised, doping is the logical conclusion for that mentality. It wasn’t just the scholarship money, it was “I’m a few seconds away from living my lifelong dream, other people are doing it anyways, and I’ll probably get away with it. If I don’t do it, I’m gonna have to find a new dream”. I beat myself up for a couple years after graduation that I DIDNT do it. I was so incredibly heartbroken that I had finally gotten to the end of the line. Seeing that many top runners have that same drive that I do, maybe even moreso, I think off of principle it’s ridiculous to think a lot of them haven’t talked themselves into doping.

Ummmm, let's just say there is a "scene" in El Paso, and don't forget, they ARE on the border, where you can cross and have whatever American pharmacutical you want within 1 hour...

This is all mythical non sense. Just order peptides here in the US. It’s easy to access it and it’s pharmaceutical grade… No need to go to some other country when you can buy it here in the US as a dietary supplement.