Getting the money would be tough but I agree. Maybe the ban lasts until she pays back all the money.
This. I don't think Westerners understand the financial and cultural aspects of doping. AI says a Kenyan woman without a college degree makes about $65/month. Thus, winning $100k at a major marathon is the equivalent of a US female runner making $2 million or so in prize money plus ongoing appearance fees of a half million dollars or so (equivalent) just for showing up. That's not just financial independence. It's financial freedom for her parents, siblings, and other extended family.
I don't know this firsthand, but I'd guess from my time overseas that cheating rich Westerners is less of a cultural shame than it would be in the West. At least, that was what I saw when I was overseas. (If I'm wrong, please correct me. I have no experience with Kenya.)
The prize money and subsequent appearance fees are also F. U. money as far as WADA and sponsors are concerned because she doesn't have to pay any of those funds back. Who cares about a medal or standing on a podium in Chicago or breaking some WADA rule made by bureaucrats who make more in a year than she would make in a lifetime!
To make a Western analogy, doping under current rules is the equivalent of robbing a bank. If you don't get caught, you get to keep the stolen money and banks pay you to show up to rob them in the future. IF you get caught, the only punishment that you can't go into another bank for 2-4 years.
I don't see an easy fix for this.
Yep and quite often these runners aren't even in the testing pool and under greater scrutiny until after they've won a major race.
The system is currently broken, this case perfectly illustrates it.
so the chances are that she will get an olympic marathon gold virtually minutes after coming off a ban she got virtually minutes after achieving the most unlikely marathon wr of all time?
this is ridiculous.
all athletic bodies need this as a wake up call (yet another, wasnt Tom Simpson enough?)
What are you talking about?
When these dopers come back, they normally aren't nearly as good. They get tested all the time. Sarah Chepchirchir got popped again when she came back. Matthew Kisorio got popped again. Rita Jeptoo - didnt break 2:27 when she came back. Timothy Cheruiyot - not good when he came back. Kiprop, etc.
adidas has shown us the proper way to erase doubt - test all the time. Sabastian Sawe is the man.
To make a Western analogy, doping under current rules is the equivalent of robbing a bank. If you don't get caught, you get to keep the stolen money and banks pay you to show up to rob them in the future. IF you get caught, the only punishment that you can't go into another bank for 2-4 years.
Getting the money would be tough but I agree. Maybe the ban lasts until she pays back all the money.
This. I don't think Westerners understand the financial and cultural aspects of doping. AI says a Kenyan woman without a college degree makes about $65/month. Thus, winning $100k at a major marathon is the equivalent of a US female runner making $2 million or so in prize money plus ongoing appearance fees of a half million dollars or so (equivalent) just for showing up. That's not just financial independence. It's financial freedom for her parents, siblings, and other extended family.
I don't know this firsthand, but I'd guess from my time overseas that cheating rich Westerners is less of a cultural shame than it would be in the West. At least, that was what I saw when I was overseas. (If I'm wrong, please correct me. I have no experience with Kenya.)
I'm sick of the "noble savage" excuse from cheating 3rd worlders.. you KNOW you are doing something wrong.. you just DGAF. Just because you come from poverty is no excuse.
EVERY track athlete faces that same question, do I take the shot/pill and get rewards or do I do this straight. For many that means continuing as a Pro, or entering the work force, while not the same choice as living in a mud hut vs a house, it is still a choice, and these people are choosing to cheat.
To make a Western analogy, doping under current rules is the equivalent of robbing a bank. If you don't get caught, you get to keep the stolen money and banks pay you to show up to rob them in the future. IF you get caught, the only punishment that you can't go into another bank for 2-4 years.
I don't see an easy fix for this.
When these dopers come back, they normally aren't nearly as good. . . . Timothy Cheruiyot - not good when he came back.
It was state sponsored. But, Kenya flat out didn't have any real doping control agency. So, not doing anything and let it just happened is a version of state sponsored because of the zero enforcement.
People entered in this category have either: Been suspended by a sporting body (an international governing body, a national federation, or a professional league) for illegal performance-enhancing drug, and/or banned drug, use...
When these dopers come back, they normally aren't nearly as good. They get tested all the time. Sarah Chepchirchir got popped again when she came back. Matthew Kisorio got popped again. Rita Jeptoo - didnt break 2:27 when she came back. Timothy Cheruiyot - not good when he came back. Kiprop, etc.
adidas has shown us the proper way to erase doubt - test all the time. Sabastian Sawe is the man.
Timothy Cheruiyot? Did you mean someone else, or is this like how there's more than one Asbel Kiprop and I'm missing something? I don't even recall any rumors about the famous Timothy Cheruiyot.
this has to be the most moranic and slam dunk rekrunner reply of all time.
water management is absolutely critical for marathon success, as is weight management. and you are saying that diuretics take no place in a cheater's arsenal?
I do get many moranic replies, but it seems like narcissistic self-promotion for you to give yourself the highest honor.
Sure, diuretics are part of an arsenal, but do you think a diuretic made her faster, as opposed to masking other drugs? Go on. I'm listening.
Hydrochlorothiazide has been commercially available since 1959, and in 2023, was prescribed 31 million times in the United States alone.
Do you think that Chepngetich was the first one to figure it this secret?
I thought the common thinking was like "jeff tallon" -- despite all this talk about diuretics and steroids, the real drug was EPO.
A masking drug presumes doping. There is no other reason for taking it. AIU knows this. Thanks for clearing that up.
so the chances are that she will get an olympic marathon gold virtually minutes after coming off a ban she got virtually minutes after achieving the most unlikely marathon wr of all time?
this is ridiculous.
all athletic bodies need this as a wake up call (yet another, wasnt Tom Simpson enough?)
What are you talking about?
When these dopers come back, they normally aren't nearly as good. They get tested all the time. Sarah Chepchirchir got popped again when she came back. Matthew Kisorio got popped again. Rita Jeptoo - didnt break 2:27 when she came back. Timothy Cheruiyot - not good when he came back. Kiprop, etc.
adidas has shown us the proper way to erase doubt - test all the time. Sabastian Sawe is the man.
Yeah, until he’s honestly tested, when he least expects it.
This is why I have been saying the WMMs should escrow winnings and not distribute until there’s testing and even retesting as detection techniques become more sophisticated.
How long should your employer hold your salary in escrow? A mistake you made may not show up until a year or two later.
A masking drug presumes doping. There is no other reason for taking it. AIU knows this. Thanks for clearing that up.
There could be other reasons for taking it. In 2023, hydrochlorothiazide was prescribed 31 million times in the United States alone, making it the 16th most commonly prescribed medicine. Do you suggest there are 31 million athletes taking it to cover up their doping in the USA because that is the only possible reason?
Maybe it was to mask other doping, and getting busted for hydrochlorothiazide is already WADA Doping in and of itself, but that wasn't the question. For clarity, I said "diuretics didn't make her faster", unless I guess if she was running to the toilet.
A masking drug presumes doping. There is no other reason for taking it. AIU knows this. Thanks for clearing that up.
There could be other reasons for taking it. In 2023, hydrochlorothiazide was prescribed 31 million times in the United States alone, making it the 16th most commonly prescribed medicine. Do you suggest there are 31 million athletes taking it to cover up their doping in the USA because that is the only possible reason?
Maybe it was to mask other doping, and getting busted for hydrochlorothiazide is already WADA Doping in and of itself, but that wasn't the question. For clarity, I said "diuretics didn't make her faster", unless I guess if she was running to the toilet.
It’s prescribed to old people with heart failure and hypertension. How many of those 31 million are in their 20s with a VO2 max in the 0.1%?
I'm not a fan of this idea that diuretics are used to flush drugs out of your body before testing, especially.ly banned ones with long half lives.
Sure, it will make some difference, but think about the amount of contaminated blood etc and you think an extra bit of wee will make a big dink in the testing results? I guess 10%. Why introduce a new long lasting easily detected drug solely to flush out a system so inneffectively?
When does are that close to the edge they just don't answer the mobell.