Unbelieveble: California governor candidate Betty Yee thinks women might be able to beat men in 100m at 2028 LA Olympics

No one is “attacking” trans, stop making things up. Calling men, men and women, women, isn’t an attack, it’s being factual.

There is nothing nuanced about it. Are you a biological man? If yes compete in men’s sports.

Let me get one thing out of the way first: I agree with you in spirit, and feel like there are many, many examples of it being played out right now that are ethically and morally wrong.

With that said, a blanket statement such as yours, while great in theory, doesn't work in practice. There are many genetic conditions which create considerable ambiguity, and the current tenor of the conversation makes even bringing that point up next to impossible.

Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, just using one example, happens in one out of every 40,000 births or so, or said another way, about 100 per year in the US alone. That isn't just a number, those are 100 human beings where the external presentation of genitalia does not match the rest of the body. Should they not play sports? What is a fair and humane way of testing for something like that?

And again, to be clear, I agree -- to the extent that is possible, women should compete against women, and men against men. I have zero argument with that. I just wish the conversation around it wasn't filled with so much hate, because it makes it impossible to actually create policies that work in practice.

OK, then why aren't you highlighting all of the similarly stupid things that Republicans say? Even if we want to constrain to the world of sports, you could mock Trump's non-stop cheating at golf or the pathetic lies about his fitness reports, you could make fun of the ridiculous Enhanced Games funded by uber-vampire and libertarian suckbag Peter Thiel, you could find a non-stop well of conservative coaches and youth pastors getting hauled in for sexual abuse. But gee, I haven't seen anything!

I mean, come on dude, call a spade a spade. Your Dad was George Bush's errand boy and you were born on third base because of it, which allows you to run ugly, ad-infested message board for a living. Yes, you're Mr. Moderate, sure. Uh huh.

And again, in reference to my last post, I even agree with the majority of posters on this topic! I'm just not hateful or vicious or bent up over it. The fact that even having a viewpoint on this that isn't caked in hate absolutely shows me that it's not really about fairness and that it's not really about doing the right thing, it's about hate.

The governor of California has absolutely no influence on how Olympic events will be conducted.

I read these two sentences multiple times and have no idea what you are trying to say.

Are middle school/(high school) sports about participation? Uh yes, in some cases and in other cases not. Honestly there is nothing more I can add there. Unless you are trying to make some foolish parallel between middle school sports and the Olympic games? Again, no idea what point you are even leaning into.

Are major marathons about participation? Same thing. Yes and no. Yes as in there about 55000 people that run NY and out of that number there are usually 30 or so true elites that could possibly contend for the win (real number there is less but that's the elite field). Again - connection to the Olympic Games where there were 81 starters? (making it 81 v 55000?). Don't get it.

You did realize this conversation was about the Olympic Games right? Not a participation event. Ever.

As for a trans woman entering a major marathon as a woman and finishing "mid pack" and if that is an existential threat to womens sport? Well if there isn't a non-binary category in the event (which now thankfully a lot of marathons have implemented) then yes it is - the sample size/execution is irrelevant, in terms of the core principal yes it is.

Thanks for your effort though.

The governor of California does not have any authority to determine the eligibility of Olympic athletes. But she has the authority to determine the eligibility of high school and middle school athletes in her state.

So this candidate's opinion on Olympic athlete is entirely irrelevant. Her opinion on high school and middle school athletes is relevant.

Was Pierce Morgan making "some foolish parallel between middle school sports and the Olympic games"?

The US is descending into autocracy and the end of a 250 year experiment with Republican democracy. Yet the gaffe of a person who doesn't even hold elective office is what agitates so many here. Your ship is sinking and you're arguing about the equivalent of who is allowed in the bar.

Agreed, it truly is a modern day last days of Rome here

She lost my vote (even though she never had it) with that statement.

Somehow in this whole discussion the point is missed that Ms. Yee suggested doing away with gender/sex/whatever distinction in sports and, basically, ONLY having an "open" category.

That is actually quite brilliant.

First off, it would completely wipe out any controversy about who should be allowed in women's or girls' categories -- because there would be none. Trans, intersex, whoever -- you can define yourself any way you want, you still all run/jump/play together.

And, when you get right down to it, why does anyone care about women's sports at the top levels anyway? Who do you find it interesting or exciting whether Sydney M-L can run 47s in the 400 -- if you are really excited about the fastest possible 400, you are only paying attention to the men's races where they are running 43s. In a sense, all women's/girls' sports are like contests to see who can whisper loudest. Nobody who really wants to hear loud voices would be interested.

That, of course, ignores the participation argument. If you make everyone play together, while they all get to participate, no biological females will ever be in the top 10% of participants. But, mathematically, 90% of participants will never be in the top 10% anyway, even if the genders are separated -- and nobody ever argues that they are getting blocked out of the benefits of participation. So, that argument doesn't really stand up. If it did, you'd need to keep tall people out of basketball leagues, fast people out of track, etc., just to allow the more mediocre participants a "level playing field" to excel.

I used to think that allowing trans and intersex (i.e., any non-XX) people into women's/girls' sport ruined the whole point of having separate women's/girls' categories. No, after reading Ms. Yee's thoughts, I'm questioning what the point is in the first place. Can anybody remind me?

You have got to be kidding with this response, right?

Did you actually watch the section that is primarily the source of discussion here?

Thank you. That should have been every comment. That 100m topic isn't .000001% representative of this nation's problems. The right wing bathes in stupidity every day, from vaccinations to everything else. Heck, their core supporters are simplistic angry white males. That's why the lies work. That demographic is so remarkably gullible and ignorant they'll swallow anything. That mindset plays out on this forum every day. It's the reason Trump had no problem in the debate with Harris to push the notion that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating their pets. He's stupid enough to believe it and so are his devotees.

Rojo somehow had the ignorant audacity to use the word VIOLENTLY and ATTACKED in capital letters in regard to the left. The status of this country right now never ceases to amaze me. It's like January 6th never happened. If anything demonstrated the colossal stupidity and violent tendencies of right wing America, it was that day. That mob was actually going to kill senators and congressman because they were too stupid to understand that big cities report their vote tallies late and last. It's only been going on forever, especially in the upper midwest. But Trump was too petulant and stupid to understand basic situational influence so he whined stolen election and his equally lughead followers targeted the capital.

The exact same voting pattern happened this year. Trump was at 53% on election night. He called it a landslide. Meanwhile I knew darn well what would happen, given late reporting midwestern cities and the West Coast. I have followed political math closely since 1992. I bet a friend that Trump would finish below 50%, if I was given +150 odds. It was close but I eventually won and was paid.

Where were all those January 6 marauders this time? Simple answer. They were too stupid to understand that it was the same normalcy playing out from a different starting point. Trump was several points upfield compared to 2020. His margin over Harris dropped from 5 points on election night down to a final tally of 1.47% gap. It was no different than a track race where we all know that a late closer can manage a 10 meter late deficit but has no chance if the trail is 30 meters.

believe able rojo is a misogynist. I'm tired of your dumb maga takes