It is easier to dope for a one-off than to dope all year and not get popped.
Like Beamish then.
You are unaware that Beamish wasn't competing for a long period because of injuries. That hasn't been Hocker. But keep suggesting Beamish because that makes it an absolute certainty that Hocker is doping.
Unlike you, I do. And that's why I can be objective while you cry when I point out that Beamish is like Hocker.
You aren't objective. The meaning of your life would disappear if you recognised how far doping has taken over the top level of the sport. It's right in front of us in every championship final. The enhanced Games.
Now you repeat "the Enhanced Games" like a punchline. Like a child with a new toy.
You are unaware that Beamish wasn't competing for a long period because of injuries. That hasn't been Hocker. But keep suggesting Beamish because that makes it an absolute certainty that Hocker is doping.
Even more suspicious! From a long period injured to world champion!
Are you guys really STUPID every single world class athlete is doing something illegal period. Is not new and must continue otherwise you will be watching much slower races.
Goes from nowhere in contention in Stockholm to running a 52 in sub 13 race. Sorry, I don’t believe it. Moan and complain all you want but he wasn’t the best at anything this year.
Do people realize that running 12:40 pace for 4k and hanging on and running 13:10 pace for 4k and kicking are two different skillsets?
You aren't objective. The meaning of your life would disappear if you recognised how far doping has taken over the top level of the sport. It's right in front of us in every championship final. The enhanced Games.
Now you repeat "the Enhanced Games" like a punchline. Like a child with a new toy.
Doping isn't a toy; it's a reality. We saw it time and again in Tokyo.
You are unaware that Beamish wasn't competing for a long period because of injuries. That hasn't been Hocker. But keep suggesting Beamish because that makes it an absolute certainty that Hocker is doping.
Even more suspicious! From a long period injured to world champion!
If Beamish is your benchmark for doping that convicts just about everyone else. Hocker, of course.
Are you guys really STUPID every single world class athlete is doing something illegal period. Is not new and must continue otherwise you will be watching much slower races.
Do you even run? Ever heard of peaking? Suspicious would be an athlete being at the top of their game the entire season, not one that seems to be at their best form for Worlds.
Goes from nowhere in contention in Stockholm to running a 52 in sub 13 race. Sorry, I don’t believe it. Moan and complain all you want but he wasn’t the best at anything this year.
I hear you, but do we usually suspect the guys that seem to have physiology that reacts normally? He isnt wining every race, he has ups and downs physically, seems like a normal unmedicated human. We already knew he had a better kick than everyone. He just seems the least sus to me. He and fisher both actually get tired, win and lose and have to peak carefully. Rather than running on rocket fuel year round with seemingly limitless energy like a few gals i know in the 15 and 5.
He just seems the least sus to me. He and fisher both actually get tired, win and lose and have to peak carefully. Rather than running on rocket fuel year round with seemingly limitless energy like a few gals i know in the 15 and 5.
Jacob Ingebrigsten is a guy and there is only 1 of him.
Do you even run? Ever heard of peaking? Suspicious would be an athlete being at the top of their game the entire season, not one that seems to be at their best form for Worlds.
Why would anyone "Moan and Complain"...Besides you? Hocker is the WORLD 5000m CHAMPION!!!...and that would classify him as the BEST IN THE WORLD!!!
The reason there are a lot of exclamation points and capitals in my post is because STUPID people like you aren't smart enough to comprehend calm rational logic and facts, and need to be YELLED at with emphasis.
I'll say it now and I'll say it again, the objective of any world class elite runner is to WIN global championships...PERIOD!!! Whether you run 12:58 or 14:58, it doesn't matter. Is there some kind of time bonus or handicap system in place I'm not aware of that incorporates your PB into world championship results? Is there a GST point system at work here?
STFU and give credit where credit is due.
Relax with the caps lock, it doesn’t make your argument stronger.
In distance running, patterns matter. Consistency across the season, progression that makes sense, and transparency are what keep performances believable. When someone looks ordinary in a Diamond League race, then weeks later is closing like a prime Lagat and Bekele, it’s fair to ask questions. That’s not “moaning,” that’s recognizing how suspicious outlier performances can be in this sport, especially with its history.
"In distance running, patterns matter. Consistency across the season, progression that makes sense, and and transparency are what keep performances believable"
What are you saying? (no caps). Do you read what you write? You should have someone who knows what their talking about proof read your posts. My "CAPS" were meant for you so you can CLEARLY understand what I'm saying. There's is no argument to be had, you're clueless, and what I posted was accurate and true. If your original post had any logic we could then maybe have an intelligent exchange, but it doesn't. The above statement, which has some good points don't apply to Cole Hocker. What "pattern" are you referencing? What "consistency" are you talking about? What "progression" are you talking about?, and finally, what "transparency" are you looking for?
If we were to take your view on Cole Hocker, or any other successful runner, no one would be acknowledged or commended for running well. You would just regurgitate some more reasons not to give them credit. Here's my take, don't forget that this was an extended season which lasted through the middle of September. Training, race scheduling, peaking, etc...had to be adjusted and altered by all of the athletes. Managing a long season which began in January (indoors) for 10 plus months is going to have an effect on "patterns" and "consistency" which directly impacts "progression". Are you still with me? Cole's season, and any other distance runner who showed well in Tokyo were put together so as to work for what's best for them, somewhat unconventional compared to a normal season. With regard to "transparency", I'm not sure where you're going with that. If you're referencing Cole's overall career, you're really clueless and need to go back and do some research. Probably one of the most consistent career progressions of any elite runner.
You think that he's somehow taking enough HGH to fundamentally alter the shape of his face, but not enough to get popped? How?
Some people just have faces like that, irrespective of whatever you think of him.
Yes, his forehead and lower jaw has grown since high school. The average male's skull stops growing at age 15. my favorite photo in recent memory is of Peyton Manning from college days to when he started for the broncos. MASSIVE forehead growth. Plus the scandal where they discovered packages of HGH being sent to his home and the accepted explanation was that it was "for my wife."
Five measurements of the head were taken between 1 year and 18 years of age in 1,537 North American Caucasians. By 1 year of age, the circumference (87.5%) and length (87.1%) of the head showed the highest levels of developme...
GH, even when used subcutaneously is undetectable the morning after in most cases. Testing allows all athletes an 8 hour window for "sleeping" so it's not all that hard to test the night prior, dose, and pass the next morning. EPO is an even shorter detectable window, especially when taken via IV.
Athletes have been misusing growth hormone (GH) for its anabolic and metabolic effects since the early 1980s, at least a decade before endocrinologists began to treat adults with GH deficiency. Although there is an ongoing de...
Cole Hocker decides what his goals are, no one else. He uses races as a means to an end, which is global championships. Just because you think it suspect that he fully emerges in these types of races doesn't make it so. From the outside looking in, Grant Fisher and Nico Young seem to put a little too much importance on their whole season of running and were definitely not as good in the Worlds as they were earlier in the season. Laros too. Cole seems to only be 100% dialed into career defining races.
Cole Hocker decides what his goals are, no one else. He uses races as a means to an end, which is global championships. Just because you think it suspect that he fully emerges in these types of races doesn't make it so. From the outside looking in, Grant Fisher and Nico Young seem to put a little too much importance on their whole season of running and were definitely not as good in the Worlds as they were earlier in the season. Laros too. Cole seems to only be 100% dialed into career defining races.
Grant definitely had bad coaching, but Nico barely raced all season, so that narrative is 100% false. And if we’re being honest, try explaining how Cole, with a full on dad bod, ends up winning a gold medal. Go ahead, defend that one.
Cole Hocker decides what his goals are, no one else. He uses races as a means to an end, which is global championships. Just because you think it suspect that he fully emerges in these types of races doesn't make it so. From the outside looking in, Grant Fisher and Nico Young seem to put a little too much importance on their whole season of running and were definitely not as good in the Worlds as they were earlier in the season. Laros too. Cole seems to only be 100% dialed into career defining races.
Grant definitely had bad coaching, but Nico barely raced all season, so that narrative is 100% false. And if we’re being honest, try explaining how Cole, with a full on dad bod, ends up winning a gold medal. Go ahead, defend that one.
Agreed! Nico Young ran a few races basically prepping for WC. Cole has been suspicious since college. He’s ( Cole) exactly like Lasse Virén and we all know how that happened in 1976
Do you even run? Ever heard of peaking? Suspicious would be an athlete being at the top of their game the entire season, not one that seems to be at their best form for Worlds.
True. This is why honest people raise their eyebrows at characters like Wanyonyi, never mind his coach who has athletes under suspension. Armsberglivs is too busy hating om the people at the top of his hate list, American white males.
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