This story has gone mainstream and is being picked up everywhere. For example, Megyn Kelly talked about it and has video clips of some of the key moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The "defenders of women's of sport" are never defenders of WNBA, or defenders of equal pay, or defenders of access to abortion.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say they're usually the opposite: the men who endlessly post about trans athletes are the same who denigrate WBNA, and equal pay, and oppose access to abortion.
Sex testing in sport is here to stay and you need to get over it.
The "defenders of women's of sport" are never defenders of WNBA, or defenders of equal pay, or defenders of access to abortion.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say they're usually the opposite: the men who endlessly post about trans athletes are the same who denigrate WBNA, and equal pay, and oppose access to abortion.
Sex testing in sport is here to stay and you need to get over it.
Is it though? Telling people to shut up and stop asking for change rarely works. Times change, attitudes change. You might be happy with the status quo but others will campaign for change and one day, maybe their arguments will win. If you think your position is solid, then keep defending it, but don't expect people to just shut up and accept it.
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The "defenders of women's of sport" are never defenders of WNBA, or defenders of equal pay, or defenders of access to abortion.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say they're usually the opposite: the men who endlessly post about trans athletes are the same who denigrate WBNA, and equal pay, and oppose access to abortion.
Sex testing in sport is here to stay and you need to get over it.
Says it all really. The man wanting to give out femininity certificates thinks he's pro-woman.
Probably thinks restricting access to abortions and c-sections is also pro-woman.
Sex testing in sport is here to stay and you need to get over it.
Is it though? Telling people to shut up and stop asking for change rarely works. Times change, attitudes change. You might be happy with the status quo but others will campaign for change and one day, maybe their arguments will win. If you think your position is solid, then keep defending it, but don't expect people to just shut up and accept it.
The rules have clearly gone back and forth over the decades and even just in the last decade. The current rules appear to be at least in part a reflection of current political sentiment. That can change again.
It is, by definition, anti-trans inclusion in sport. You can argue whether that's right or wrong, but you can't pretend that it's not anti-trans inclusion. Ross repeatedly makes that clear himself, that this is an issue about competing rights and wherever you land, one group is going to lose out in some way. The only issue that's really up for debate is which group you want to deprive. There's no perfect solution here, only a least imperfect outcome.
Of course, it’s anti-trans inclusion by definition. Anyone who uses emphatic disclaimers like “Simple” and “Period” to define away any nuance to the issue just doesn’t give a damn about what happens to trans people.
It’s also hardly clear the current outcome is the least imperfect. There were no trans athletes in T&F even with the pre-2023 rules, leave alone the post-2023 tanner2/12/2.5 rules, to prompt the return to SRY testing.
Your miss-placed commas bother me, but I’m not anti-muckle , just anti-poor writing. Not allowing at-birth males in womens' sports is not anti-trans, it's pro-womens' rights. And, yes, I’m all for the wnba and pro-choice. Simple
Latest 'Real Science of Sport' podcast has a great interview with Gladwell. He had been the chair on a lopsided panel against sports scientist Ross Tucker on the topic of Transgender Athletes in 2022. At the outset of the podcast he says he agrees 100% with Ross that there is no place for trans athletes in female sport and that he was ashamed of his performance on that panel because he was cowed by the panel/audience. "I was objective in a dishonest way- I let a lot of howlers pass without comment". He also calls for an end to the spectacle of boys taking part in girls' sport at high school level: "Parents are not gonna put up with this sort of bullsh*t".
Refreshing to hear someone hold themselves accountable for when they got things wrong/weren't as intellectually honest as they could have been on this topic. More of this please.
It’s refreshing but it would have been better if he had some courage. I’m always a little resentful of people like this who clearly knew better but let others suffer from the consequences of speaking up before they finally found the coast clear enough to do so. Lack of courage is gross.
Latest 'Real Science of Sport' podcast has a great interview with Gladwell. He had been the chair on a lopsided panel against sports scientist Ross Tucker on the topic of Transgender Athletes in 2022. At the outset of the podcast he says he agrees 100% with Ross that there is no place for trans athletes in female sport and that he was ashamed of his performance on that panel because he was cowed by the panel/audience. "I was objective in a dishonest way- I let a lot of howlers pass without comment". He also calls for an end to the spectacle of boys taking part in girls' sport at high school level: "Parents are not gonna put up with this sort of bullsh*t".
Refreshing to hear someone hold themselves accountable for when they got things wrong/weren't as intellectually honest as they could have been on this topic. More of this please.
It’s refreshing but it would have been better if he had some courage. I’m always a little resentful of people like this who clearly knew better but let others suffer from the consequences of speaking up before they finally found the coast clear enough to do so. Lack of courage is gross.
Did he give Trump any credit for making dissent easier?
I also wonder how many defenders of women sports are also defending other women's issues like access to healthcare, or equal opportunity and pay, etc. Doesn't seem to me like there is a big overlap.
The "defenders of women's of sport" are never defenders of WNBA, or defenders of equal pay, or defenders of access to abortion.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say they're usually the opposite: the men who endlessly post about trans athletes are the same who denigrate WBNA, and equal pay, and oppose access to abortion.
You can't put us all in the same category. I'm left-wing, feminist, pro-choice, pro-equal pay etc. Have never voted conservative, but I can see the harm this issue is doing to the LGBTI community, to the trans community especially, I can see that it's not fair competition, and that the blowback on the trans community is far worse than any supposed benefit they think they're getting out of this. Women's sport does matter, it matters to women's equality and platforming of female role models, especially in parts of the world with regressive gender policies. And this is something that is damaging women's sport, not just the potential for takeover, but also for the change in how it is discussed - instead of women being championed, they are being sidelined, or worse denigrated as bigots when they should be celebrated for their achievements. You say you don't like how WNBA players are treated, nor do I, but female athletes in every sport are at risk of being abused and denigrated if this doesn't stop.
That is Not anti-trans. It is Pro-woman Athletic Fairness and Safety. Simple. Period. It's also not a herd. It's breaking from the herd that managed to gain some seriously funky momentum. It was based on fear and guilt, and now the policies are much nearer reality and science and fact.
If trans females " just want to compete ", they still are able, and hopefully will --to at least stay physically heathy.
I agree. You can support the wellbeing of trans people while still acknowledging that trans women (and even some intersex women) should not be competing against XX women.
That isn’t anti-trans. It’s fairness.
Unfortunately the trans mob does not see it that way. Opposing men in women's sports makes you complicit in the "trans genocide" and therefore literally Hitler. Go post your "moderate" opinion in the trans subreddit and see their response if you think I'm lying.
Therefore, you might as well just stop playing their game entirely and admit the entire concept of "gender" (as being distinct from biological sex) is a bunch of mid-20th century nonsense. Full rejection of the ideology is the only way out of this mess.
They can deal with it. Just like any other boy who finishes last. Can’t win them all. They’re not girls. They’re not women. They are jealous of women which is why they want to engage in womens sports and dominate. The trans defenders always scream to the mods behind the scenes to have anyone they disagree with banned for simply posting the truth, and they don’t realize we’re all aware of this. They can’t hide the truth forever.
The only move these people have left is to "tell the teacher" on anyone who disagrees with them and hope that scares them into silence. 80 percent or so of Americans disagree with them. Most all serious sports organizations are now barring men from womens sports. Even Gavin Newsom was forced to compromise on the issue this spring. However the internet trans mob will still call the corporate department, University admissions office, military CO, or (in some countries) the police on anyone who disagrees with them publicly in the hope that they will be "punished" for their wrong-think. Your reign of terror is coming to an end freaks. You better hope we show you more kindness than you showed us.
is she trans? She is kinda attractive. I say that as a Heteromale
Yes. She is trans. Also a former HS athlete. (A varsity field hockey player.)
But posting her photos is considered a "spam" on this message board. A trans woman, especially an athlete, being friendly with cis women is against the official ideology of LRC. It is not supposed to happen, and therefore, posts like mine need to be censored.
I also wonder how many defenders of women sports are also defending other women's issues like access to healthcare, or equal opportunity and pay, etc. Doesn't seem to me like there is a big overlap.
The "defenders of women's of sport" are never defenders of WNBA, or defenders of equal pay, or defenders of access to abortion.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say they're usually the opposite: the men who endlessly post about trans athletes are the same who denigrate WBNA, and equal pay, and oppose access to abortion.
I'm about as left leaning as they come and I'm against trans women competing in women's sports. (Past a certain level of competition, I'd probably draw the line at a HS varsity team but I'm open to being persuaded here)
1. are never defenders of WNBA - What am I meant to be defending here?
2. or defenders of equal pay - I'm all for equal pay (for equal work)
3. or defenders of access to abortion. - I am very much pro-choice/access to abortion. Although I prefer to call that stance "pro-life" (because the traditionally labeled "pro-choice" side are the ones who actually give a damn about living people)
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Of course, it’s anti-trans inclusion by definition. Anyone who uses emphatic disclaimers like “Simple” and “Period” to define away any nuance to the issue just doesn’t give a damn about what happens to trans people.
It’s also hardly clear the current outcome is the least imperfect. There were no trans athletes in T&F even with the pre-2023 rules, leave alone the post-2023 tanner2/12/2.5 rules, to prompt the return to SRY testing.
Your miss-placed commas bother me, but I’m not anti-muckle , just anti-poor writing. Not allowing at-birth males in womens' sports is not anti-trans, it's pro-womens' rights. And, yes, I’m all for the wnba and pro-choice. Simple
Your miss-placed commas bother me, but I’m not anti-muckle , just anti-poor writing. Not allowing at-birth males in womens' sports is not anti-trans, it's pro-womens' rights. And, yes, I’m all for the wnba and pro-choice. Simple
So you're against unborn girls.
Quiet troll, the adults in the room are trying to have an actual discussion.
I also wonder how many defenders of women sports are also defending other women's issues like access to healthcare, or equal opportunity and pay, etc. Doesn't seem to me like there is a big overlap.
The "defenders of women's of sport" are never defenders of WNBA, or defenders of equal pay, or defenders of access to abortion.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say they're usually the opposite: the men who endlessly post about trans athletes are the same who denigrate WBNA, and equal pay, and oppose access to abortion.
Got any more whataboutisms in there for us chief?
I oppose men in womens sports. That's it. I'm not required to hold any other opinions in addition to that one for your satisfaction. Why don't you defend men in women's sports, instead of trying to change the subject. I'm willing to defend my position.
The reason you people want to distract from the core issue is because you know it is indefensible. So instead it's
"this isn't actually happening"
"OK it's happening but in small numbers"
"OK it's happening a lot but that's a good thing"
"Why are you noticing this thing is happening weirdo"
"How does this affect your life that this is happening"
"If you oppose this thing happening why don't you believe (insert other unrelated political position"
Their entering womens sporting events is a big sign. 😛
How is that a sign of jealousy?
Gia Parr wanted to play field hockey with her friends, and her friends wanted to play with her.
The same with Sarah Rose Huckman. She wanted to run track and ski cross country with her friends, and they wanted to run / ski with her.
Oh, that's against the official LRC ideology, and I am not supposed to post it.
That’s extremely disingenuous. Apparently being that way is the only way you folks can live with your delusions.
Some trans dude wants to play in the park with female friends, go ahead. But if the same guy wants to pull a Lia Thomas or AB Hernandez and enter organized womens sports and dominate, no way. Not fair, and indeed a sign of their wanting to dominate, to attack real women, most of it rooted in jealousy combined with their bizarre urges for exhibitionism.
Of course, it’s anti-trans inclusion by definition. Anyone who uses emphatic disclaimers like “Simple” and “Period” to define away any nuance to the issue just doesn’t give a damn about what happens to trans people.
It’s also hardly clear the current outcome is the least imperfect. There were no trans athletes in T&F even with the pre-2023 rules, leave alone the post-2023 tanner2/12/2.5 rules, to prompt the return to SRY testing.
Your miss-placed commas bother me, but I’m not anti-muckle , just anti-poor writing. Not allowing at-birth males in womens' sports is not anti-trans, it's pro-womens' rights. And, yes, I’m all for the wnba and pro-choice. Simple
Wow, how substantive a comment you open with. I’m very comfortable with my writing and intentional comma placement, thank you, and absolutely don’t care for some internet rando’s opinion of it.