As I said before, I do pull-ups regularly, and I have to agree with those raising the question about form. Every time I do pull-ups it occurrs to me that I'm not doing the full range - missing a little on the drop and I could be going a little higher up.
I'm honestly not sure I could even do a single perfect pull-up, though I bang out sets of eight sorta pull-ups several times a week.
As I said before, I do pull-ups regularly, and I have to agree with those raising the question about form. Every time I do pull-ups it occurrs to me that I'm not doing the full range - missing a little on the drop and I could be going a little higher up.
I'm honestly not sure I could even do a single perfect pull-up, though I bang out sets of eight sorta pull-ups several times a week.
The vast majority of people don't do pullups with a dead hang, even if they claim they do. They often go into an active hang 1" above a dead hang. Go over to the bodyweight fitness subreddit and it's littered with dudes who could 10–15 "pull ups." Then they learn they can do only 3 or 4 with a full ROM.
Liberals would have a fit if people were encouraged to do burpees without proper medical supervision. I'm not sure how to ban bodyweight exercises but they'd find a way. Your comment is reckless!!!! The only safe way to get fit and healthy is by taking the drugs provided by big pharma.
I could and would do it as part of circuit training 10-12 years ago, when I was ski racing seriously. Not now, a decade+ older, shoulder surgery, and more focused on running. Can still run under 19 for 5K in my 60s but not focused as much on upper body conditioning.
I think you're right that it would be tight for you.
If your pull-up max is 12 (and that probably takes at least 24 seconds real form), you aren't going to be coming back and doing sets of 10 with only 45-60s rest.
Thanks for your feedback, but it sounds like you misread what I wrote. My strategy wouldn't be to do my max effort in the first set. It would be to do 10 in that first set and then go from there.
When I said I can recover pretty well in 45-60 seconds, that wasn't a guess. I do it regularly in my training.
No, I didn't mis-read at all.
You were clear that your MAX is 12, and that you would do sets of 10.
I said that if your max is truly 12, you aren't doing 5x10 or even 4x10 on 45 seconds rest.
If you say you can, then you haven't truly maxed out at 12.
Using strict form, I could complete the challenge in under 10 minutes, but not 5.
The pull-ups would definitely be the toughest part. My pull-up max is 12, so my strategy would be to do sets of 10 to avoid reaching full exhaustion early on. I can recover pretty well in 45-60 seconds, so 5 sets of 10 should be feasible. Even if I’m only getting 8 on the fifth set, I could knock out the remaining reps with one extra set within the 10-minute timeframe.
For the push-ups, it wouldn’t be a problem for me to do 5 sets of 20.
If you only can do 12 pull ups at max its imposible that you get 5 series of 10 pull ups with 45-60" rest. Be real
This guy is correct.
If you are doing 10 reps with 2 reps in reserve short of "failure," you definitely aren't repeating that 5 times off of 45 seconds rest.
If you can, you underestimated your max, i.e. you don't know what failure is.
I worked hard for years with the goal of doing 30 pull ups. That was difficult and I’m proud of myself for doing it. That was years ago. I can’t now. I find it hard to believe that there are many people who can do 50 pull-ups. Incredibly difficult and very impressive for whoever can.
I was unaware of this challenge until I saw a link to the NYT article saying (paraphrasing)... "don't try it, you'll hurt yourself!"
I'm sure you can find links to this challenge, but most are political, so I'll let you find your own. My question for LetsRunners is:
1. Can you do 50 push-ups and 50 pull-ups in 5 minutes?
Me: I can do 34 strict push-ups nonstop right now. I could probably do 50-70 of the partial push-ups the way that RFK Jr. does them in one set so doing 100 in sets of 20 would be easy. I'd flunk the pull-ups. I have a chronic shoulder injury so I'm sure I couldn't do many pull-ups. I might be able to get 10 in sets of 1 .... pathetic....
So, LetsRunners, can you do the 100/50/5minute challenge? I image that the pull-ups would be a problem for lots of runners, but what's your thoughts?
You are probably my favorite poster, and you are exactly right. RFK is certainly in great shape but his the pushup and pullup form is pathetic, as is most if not all of the people that do these types of challenges.
RFK, Jr is in great shape because he uses TRT. He'd be far more impressive if he'd gotten in shape without using synthetic testosterone.
If you only can do 12 pull ups at max its imposible that you get 5 series of 10 pull ups with 45-60" rest. Be real
This guy is correct.
If you are doing 10 reps with 2 reps in reserve short of "failure," you definitely aren't repeating that 5 times off of 45 seconds rest.
If you can, you underestimated your max, i.e. you don't know what failure is.
LOL. This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. So far, I’ve been told:
A guy who was the Head physical therapist and assistant strength coach for a Major League Baseball team, who trains professional athletes from several sports, and who has an entire collection of advanced workout programs is just a “crackpot YouTube coach” for beginners
A push-pull-legs split is a “bro split”
I’m unable to recover from a set of body weight exercises in 45-60 seconds, even though I do it regularly (I guess all those workouts I’ve done were figments of my imagination).
I don’t know what lifting to failure is.
I look forward to seeing what else people can teach me about working out and my capabilities, while sharing little to no information about their own.
If you are doing 10 reps with 2 reps in reserve short of "failure," you definitely aren't repeating that 5 times off of 45 seconds rest.
If you can, you underestimated your max, i.e. you don't know what failure is.
LOL. This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. So far, I’ve been told:
A guy who was the Head physical therapist and assistant strength coach for a Major League Baseball team, who trains professional athletes from several sports, and who has an entire collection of advanced workout programs is just a “crackpot YouTube coach” for beginners
A push-pull-legs split is a “bro split”
I’m unable to recover from a set of body weight exercises in 45-60 seconds, even though I do it regularly (I guess all those workouts I’ve done were figments of my imagination).
I don’t know what lifting to failure is.
I look forward to seeing what else people can teach me about working out and my capabilities, while sharing little to no information about their own.
To point out how crazy your 45–60s of recovery is, imagine it's running. You say you can do 10 pullups and recover in 60s when your max is 12. That's ~80% of your max. Would you say you could run 300m reps at 400m pace with 60s recovery? Or 600m reps @ 800m pace with 60s recovery. Not even Jacory Patterson or Brazier could do that lol. Your body doesn't know the difference between bodyweight exercise, barbells, or running. It knows stress and load, and pullups are a big compound exercise. Crazy to say you've been lifting for 25 years and you fundamentally misunderstand stress and recovery.
LOL. This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. So far, I’ve been told:
A guy who was the Head physical therapist and assistant strength coach for a Major League Baseball team, who trains professional athletes from several sports, and who has an entire collection of advanced workout programs is just a “crackpot YouTube coach” for beginners
A push-pull-legs split is a “bro split”
I’m unable to recover from a set of body weight exercises in 45-60 seconds, even though I do it regularly (I guess all those workouts I’ve done were figments of my imagination).
I don’t know what lifting to failure is.
I look forward to seeing what else people can teach me about working out and my capabilities, while sharing little to no information about their own.
To point out how crazy your 45–60s of recovery is, imagine it's running. You say you can do 10 pullups and recover in 60s when your max is 12. That's ~80% of your max. Would you say you could run 300m reps at 400m pace with 60s recovery? Or 600m reps @ 800m pace with 60s recovery. Not even Jacory Patterson or Brazier could do that lol. Your body doesn't know the difference between bodyweight exercise, barbells, or running. It knows stress and load, and pullups are a big compound exercise. Crazy to say you've been lifting for 25 years and you fundamentally misunderstand stress and recovery.
You’re right, I just imagined those workouts I’ve done. Running recovery is totally the same as lifting recovery. Thank you for correcting me.
I decided to try the push-ups only for 5 minutes. Chest to floor, full arm extension. I did a set roughly every 30 seconds and stopped whenever they started to feel hard to do. FWIW, my current nonstop push-up max is 30.
Age 77, 5'6", 134lbs
15 15 10 7 7 7 5 4 3 3 6 = 72
My goal was 100+ in five minutes so I've got some work to do.
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As I said before, I do pull-ups regularly, and I have to agree with those raising the question about form. Every time I do pull-ups it occurrs to me that I'm not doing the full range - missing a little on the drop and I could be going a little higher up.
I'm honestly not sure I could even do a single perfect pull-up, though I bang out sets of eight sorta pull-ups several times a week.
The vast majority of people don't do pullups with a dead hang, even if they claim they do. They often go into an active hang 1" above a dead hang. Go over to the bodyweight fitness subreddit and it's littered with dudes who could 10–15 "pull ups." Then they learn they can do only 3 or 4 with a full ROM.
There isn’t that much strength difference between full ROM and an inch off of it. The scapular flexion at the bottom lifting you up from the dead hang actually gives you momentum that helps counter some of the challenge. You do need to be used to the full ROM movement and shouldn’t expect to just pick it up on demand during a test.