Don’t fall into this trap. In 2024 DL winners were Jakob, Hoare, Komen, Yared, Kerr, Habz. In 2023, Yared and Jakob. So you go back to 2022 for when a DL meeting winner actually won Worlds. And that was against a semi-laughable Rabat field before getting crushed in Oslo. It’s about getting it right at Worlds.
So then how can you take any predictions in this thread seriously? You’ve just admitted it’s about getting it right at worlds, that’s really vague
You evaluate how the guys look going into the race and their strengths/weaknesses. This year is a little different because Worlds is last. Kerr and Hocker similar to last year are in hibernation but have put together solid performances and we know they peak well. Last year only Jakob really impressed in Monaco and that’s why it was a little surprising Yared did bounce back for a medal. His USAs was pretty strong and he had the second best PB (3:43 mile) in the field. This year Laros has looked really good in a few style of races and at 800/5000. If he runs in Zurich, we’ll still have the mystery of Kerr/Hocker/Jakob but if he definitively beats Nuguse, Koech, Habz and the Cheruiyots it’s more akin to Jakobs position going in last year. And that’s without being reliant on a provably bad frontrunning tactic.
Only Jakob impressed in Monaco? Are you forgetting Kerr during Indoors and Pre? He very much had momentum in his corner going into Paris as a joint favourite with Jakob, if not the favourite. Going into hibernation before Paris helped maintain this aura. Also I believe Hocker caught the attention of many US based posters on this site with his performance at last years USA's.
The kick, the kick and nothing but the kick. It is'nt like that. When Nordas got his medal in 2023, it was not the kick. He is a very slow runner. It always depends on what you got left in the tank. A nice kick at 3:33 and then no kick at 3:31. We could go on like this. I would love to see Laros kick in a 3:27-race. BTW. Nordas ran 53,0 at his last lap in Pfungstadt some days ago 3:30.26. And approx 25.7 at the last 200. Just now Laros is the favorite. But we might do some adjustments after the DL-finale at Friday. The kick?
Laros has been impressive indeed. But the thing with some young, up and coming racers is that sometimes they look unbeatable going into a championship race but succumb to competition on the day of the race. Either too much pressure or normalcy sets in as their best races for the season are in the rearview.
I predict he is a factor in the race but places 4th or 5th. Some of the veteran's have been targeting a peak performance at this race and tend to save their best for last.
Phanuel Koech looked incredibly impressive in his previous two races, but here he was beatable. A question remains with him whether he can run rounds. The American Koech has proven he can do that and close with the best of them. Even with Jakob out or not at full strength, this should be an amazing World Champs 1500m. Nuguse is always a threat to win if he gets the tactics right. Laros has been a bit unhealthy but looks like his current ability is almost as great as his talent for the first time. Hocker has far more strength than in previous years, and so once he sharpens, he will be very tough to beat if he gets another inside track. Kerr is always ready for champs. Wightman does not look ready right now. Strand should be in the mix. He has a live kick. I can see this going a dozen different ways with the podium but figure on sub-1:49 close if it is another 3:30 race with no strong early pace. And remember that Jakob almost never loses races where he gets to draft like the other guys. Do not count him out this year. Maybe Nuguse takes the pace, a bit harder than 3:30 to make it tougher on Laros, Jakob sits in second and pushes hard the last 800. He could take it as well.
You do realise that Nuguse isn't going to Tokyo unless he pulls off a miraculous win in Zurich next week?
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Only Jakob impressed in Monaco? Are you forgetting Kerr during Indoors and Pre? He very much had momentum in his corner going into Paris as a joint favourite with Jakob, if not the favourite. Going into hibernation before Paris helped maintain this aura. Also I believe Hocker caught the attention of many US based posters on this site with his performance at last years USA's.
The kick, the kick and nothing but the kick. It is'nt like that. When Nordas got his medal in 2023, it was not the kick. He is a very slow runner. It always depends on what you got left in the tank. A nice kick at 3:33 and then no kick at 3:31. We could go on like this. I would love to see Laros kick in a 3:27-race. BTW. Nordas ran 53,0 at his last lap in Pfungstadt some days ago 3:30.26. And approx 25.7 at the last 200. Just now Laros is the favorite. But we might do some adjustments after the DL-finale at Friday. The kick?
You’re living in the past. All sorts of runners are now summoning big kicks off 3:28-3:31 races. How you can finish matters. You better be in the front/dictating the race if you don’t have the kick. You saw even in Silesia, Nordas had tons left and still got beat by Tim who had run way worse positionally. It was great self-awareness by Nordas to NOT trust the race was about who had more left as he used to say.
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His kick looked incredible today - 25.5 last 200m.
It was a sensational finishing kick but remember Hocker’s sensational finishing kick at the Olympics. The trick is being able to replicate that on a consistent basis and be in the position to do so to win.
No...the trick is to be able replicate that when it counts... Hocker will do so. However, Laros is a level up from before and may match him even in a 38-point last 300 in a 3:28 race.
Only Jakob can beat these two, only at his best, if he was in WR shape and if the pace is perfect. But he won't be in such condition this time.
Koech may be overpeak by now. People underestimate the challenges of maintaining a peak and especially this year where DL season is finished more than two weeks before the Worlds begin. A number of early DL winners will not figure in the WC.
Laros has been impressive indeed. But the thing with some young, up and coming racers is that sometimes they look unbeatable going into a championship race but succumb to competition on the day of the race. Either too much pressure or normalcy sets in as their best races for the season are in the rearview.
I predict he is a factor in the race but places 4th or 5th. Some of the veteran's have been targeting a peak performance at this race and tend to save their best for last.
There is a 16-year old runner that didn’t succumb to pressure at the USATF. Talent and fitness is more important than experience. If Laros has something left in the tank with 200m to go, he’s going to be tough to beat.
There is a 16-year old runner that didn’t succumb to pressure at the USATF. Talent and fitness is more important than experience. If Laros has something left in the tank with 200m to go, he’s going to be tough to beat.
Cooper didn't really have much pressure on him in the U.S. championship final because he wasn't expected to make the team. That's a very different situation than Laros going into the world championships as one of the favorites to win.
My guess is Laros will be able to handle the pressure well, but it's definitely a relevant factor he's going to have to manage. When the margins for error are slim between competitors who are closely matched, the mental aspects of championship racing can be the difference maker.
Laros has been impressive indeed. But the thing with some young, up and coming racers is that sometimes they look unbeatable going into a championship race but succumb to competition on the day of the race. Either too much pressure or normalcy sets in as their best races for the season are in the rearview.
I predict he is a factor in the race but places 4th or 5th. Some of the veteran's have been targeting a peak performance at this race and tend to save their best for last.
There is a 16-year old runner that didn’t succumb to pressure at the USATF. Talent and fitness is more important than experience. If Laros has something left in the tank with 200m to go, he’s going to be tough to beat.
Yeah, many keep overlooking Laros’s relative youth and his improvement curve in comparison to everyone else except Berardelli’s latest high responding chemistry experiment in Koech, the fabulous 22 year old teenager.
There is a 16-year old runner that didn’t succumb to pressure at the USATF. Talent and fitness is more important than experience. If Laros has something left in the tank with 200m to go, he’s going to be tough to beat.
Cooper didn't really have much pressure on him in the U.S. championship final because he wasn't expected to make the team. That's a very different situation than Laros going into the world championships as one of the favorites to win.
My guess is Laros will be able to handle the pressure well, but it's definitely a relevant factor he's going to have to manage. When the margins for error are slim between competitors who are closely matched, the mental aspects of championship racing can be the difference maker.
Racing is very physical and even if an experienced runner is in position when the kicks begin, if he starts tying up, experience won’t help him. Nuguse has a ton of experience, but got beat by three guys younger than him at USATF. Van Damme didnt race a 1500 until 1976, but almost beat Walker that year at the Olympics. Strand didn’t start running the 1500m/mile seriously until this year, but still made the team.
LRers like to Monday morning quarterback, but the standard advice of run on the rail but don’t get boxed in, is easier said than done. The very experienced Grant Fisher got boxed in at the USATF 5000, wanted to go with 1000m to go, but instead was forced to depend on his kick over the last 200m.
I’ve seen several videos of Lutenhaus’ races and it’s always the same thing, he ignores the leaders, even gets gapped, and then blows past everyone over the last 200m. The WC is likely to be fast, he’ll run his 51, and then start picking people off at about 600m. He might not medal, but I think he’ll end up running a great race.
Laros has been impressive indeed. But the thing with some young, up and coming racers is that sometimes they look unbeatable going into a championship race but succumb to competition on the day of the race. Either too much pressure or normalcy sets in as their best races for the season are in the rearview.
I predict he is a factor in the race but places 4th or 5th. Some of the veteran's have been targeting a peak performance at this race and tend to save their best for last.
If Laros has something left in the tank with 200m to go, he’s going to be tough to beat.
Sure, he looked great and the kick looks excellent. But....
As I and several others have already pointed out his kick in the 330 race was no better than multiple of his competitors have done recently.
Us champs, strand and koech kicked at least as well. Better over last 800.
Hocker not far behind.
Kerr has definitely demonstrated very strong finish off a fast pace. Other koech too. Nordas too. And if Jakob is healthy?
Yeah, many keep overlooking Laros’s relative youth and his improvement curve in comparison to everyone else except Berardelli’s latest high responding chemistry experiment in Koech, the fabulous 22 year old teenager.
Lahssad (villain envy).
When an African do a good performance (Katir, Habz, Sedjati, the marathon WR of Kenyans, Wanyonyi too got his cup of tea, Koech ...), usually its hord of hatred threads of hating and doping accusations.
Yeah, many keep overlooking Laros’s relative youth and his improvement curve in comparison to everyone else except Berardelli’s latest high responding chemistry experiment in Koech, the fabulous 22 year old teenager.
Lahssad (villain envy).
When an African do a good performance (Katir, Habz, Sedjati, the marathon WR of Kenyans, Wanyonyi too got his cup of tea, Koech ...), usually its hord of hatred threads of hating and doping accusations.
LRC game is clear as a sunny day.
Just admit your hatred of white people. And your likely love of goats.
Cooper didn't really have much pressure on him in the U.S. championship final because he wasn't expected to make the team. That's a very different situation than Laros going into the world championships as one of the favorites to win.
My guess is Laros will be able to handle the pressure well, but it's definitely a relevant factor he's going to have to manage. When the margins for error are slim between competitors who are closely matched, the mental aspects of championship racing can be the difference maker.
Racing is very physical and even if an experienced runner is in position when the kicks begin, if he starts tying up, experience won’t help him. Nuguse has a ton of experience, but got beat by three guys younger than him at USATF. Van Damme didnt race a 1500 until 1976, but almost beat Walker that year at the Olympics. Strand didn’t start running the 1500m/mile seriously until this year, but still made the team.
LRers like to Monday morning quarterback, but the standard advice of run on the rail but don’t get boxed in, is easier said than done. The very experienced Grant Fisher got boxed in at the USATF 5000, wanted to go with 1000m to go, but instead was forced to depend on his kick over the last 200m.
I’ve seen several videos of Lutenhaus’ races and it’s always the same thing, he ignores the leaders, even gets gapped, and then blows past everyone over the last 200m. The WC is likely to be fast, he’ll run his 51, and then start picking people off at about 600m. He might not medal, but I think he’ll end up running a great race.
Yes, agreed, experienced racers can make mistakes with pacing and/or positioning. Being a veteran is no guarantee of success. I'm just saying Laros is going to have a different level of pressure on him that he's going to have to manage as a world championship gold medal favorite, compared to Cooper who was really just happy to make the U.S. final. I think that's a fair assessment.
The mental aspects of racing can make the difference in the outcome when competitors are closely matched physically, whether someone is a newbie or a vet. That's why strategy is such an important component of racing.
Curious why you say Strand didn't start running the 1500m/mile seriously until this year. That's now how it looks from my vantage point, but maybe you're privy to info I don't have.
When an African do a good performance (Katir, Habz, Sedjati, the marathon WR of Kenyans, Wanyonyi too got his cup of tea, Koech ...), usually its hord of hatred threads of hating and doping accusations.
LRC game is clear as a sunny day.
Just admit your hatred of white people. And your likely love of goats.
Tell me the history of the Netherland in Middle and Long distances and I will read your future in a cup.
Netherland = Lower Lands = Sea Level
Its not just a question of "sex symbols" and "Top Models" that make dreaming the teens.
I'm not a white hater, I'm a hater of "truands" that this world is filled of. (excuse my English)
Just admit your hatred of white people. And your likely love of goats.
Tell me the history of the Netherland in Middle and Long distances and I will read your future in a cup.
Netherland = Lower Lands = Sea Level
Its not just a question of "sex symbols" and "Top Models" that make dreaming the teens.
I'm not a white hater, I'm a hater of "truands" that this world is filled of. (excuse my English)
You need to work on that English a bit more to better get your points across. Rightg now you come across as muddled, hateful, jealous. If your reading comprehension of English isn’t good, then you may be misinterpreting posts.
Niels.Laros will take special inspiration from his compatriot...the meeting director for the FBK Games at Hengelo...who when she she competed in the 92 Olympics as an unfavored entrant did THIS to Quirot Mutola Clark etc...