I agree she ran a 14:45, 5k. She is older now and not a 1500m runner anymore. She has a great shot at making the 5k team
The way she’s currently running, she’s not going to make the team. She appears to be in about 4:05 shape and she needs to be sub-4:00 to have a chance.
She's lucky US women's running is relatively weak without St Pierre and Valby, but I still don't see her making the US team.
I’m not sure if this poster is young and doesn’t understand how the pro training cycle works, or at least how Schumacher (not coaching Houlihan directly, but still influencing how Shayla coaches obviously) has always structured things?
They usually come up for a big peak in February/March and then go back to a lot of base and strength workouts, with less quality until about 3 weeks before USAs. The goal is always to peak at Worlds. Schumacher trained athletes are almost always the best peaked, amongst American distance runners, when it comes to outdoor Championships vs. the months which precede them.
Other coaches(Mike Smith, Diljeet, Bosshard, kinda Ritzenhein…) tend to focus on quality for too much of the year and that is why their athletes often don’t peak as well for the Championships and the diamond League finals.
Bumping this part back to further what the previous poster said. I’m not sure if LetsRun is polluted by high school runners who don’t understand how peaking works in the elite world, when you have a nine month season? This thread is comical.
I was responding to the poster who believes she should confess to doping and then write a book about it. If she did, and after shouting her innocence from the mountain tops for four years, she would indeed become an admitted liar. After appealing her case at CAS, making an appeal at the Swiss federal court and starting a GoFundMe to cover her legal expenses, she would be considered one of the worst liars in history. She would also alienate the people that believed in her. That she would be forgiven for making a “mistake” is funny.
32 yrs 5 mos old now. At the end of her career, I would think.
Wouldn't expect her to be running PRs at this stage in her career.
So you are saying she is slowing down on exactly the right trajectory to show she never doped.
Got it.
(I guess after 25 is the right time to get popped, so when you don't perform again you can always just blame "age" even while your un-doped peers are running PBs in their 30s.)
Many people here said that if she runs well post-comeback, it "proves" she was never doping.
So what do those same people say about her running poorly post-comeback?
She’s run well post-comeback. Literally have no idea what people are talking about. Winning a medal at Indoor worlds is running very “well.” Opening your outdoor season in 14:45, well before the peak of the season is running “well.” She’s five years older than when she 14:23.9 and I’d say she’s been through quite a bit since then.
Not sure what word people are living in who say she’s running “poorly.”
32 yrs 5 mos old now. At the end of her career, I would think.
Wouldn't expect her to be running PRs at this stage in her career.
So you are saying she is slowing down on exactly the right trajectory to show she never doped.
Got it.
(I guess after 25 is the right time to get popped, so when you don't perform again you can always just blame "age" even while your un-doped peers are running PBs in their 30s.)
I suppose you’re one of those people who still thinks Shelby doped but Sifan Hassan is clean. So out of the loop!
32 yrs 5 mos old now. At the end of her career, I would think.
Wouldn't expect her to be running PRs at this stage in her career.
So you are saying she is slowing down on exactly the right trajectory to show she never doped.
Got it.
(I guess after 25 is the right time to get popped, so when you don't perform again you can always just blame "age" even while your un-doped peers are running PBs in their 30s.)
No idea what you are talking about.
She DID dope. Tested positive. Nothing to do with what I said.
She is 32.5 yrs old. Beyond her prime. Not complicated.
So you are saying she is slowing down on exactly the right trajectory to show she never doped.
Got it.
(I guess after 25 is the right time to get popped, so when you don't perform again you can always just blame "age" even while your un-doped peers are running PBs in their 30s.)
I suppose you’re one of those people who still thinks Shelby doped but Sifan Hassan is clean. So out of the loop!
You suppose wrong. I know that Houlihan doped because she tested positive.
Many people here said that if she runs well post-comeback, it "proves" she was never doping.
So what do those same people say about her running poorly post-comeback?
All those many people would be wrong both ways, because you cannot "prove" or "disprove" doping with performances.
But assuming for argument that her fast performances were doped, there are still non-doping confounders:
Age: Shelby was 26 and 27 when she ran her fast 1500m and 5000m performances. Now she is 32.
Training: Back then she was a Nike athlete, coached by Schumacher and Flanagan, with all the advantages of Nike training and recovery facilities. Now she lives in a trailer, coached by her sister, and is looking for sponsors.
I guess after 25 is the right time to get popped, so when you don't perform again you can always just blame "age" even while your un-doped peers are running PBs in their 30s.
No idea what you are talking about.
She DID dope. Tested positive. Nothing to do with what I said.
She is 32.5 yrs old. Beyond her prime. Not complicated.
Then I'm not talking about you, genius. Why are you making it about yourself?
I'm talking about people who said "See?? She's still fast! She must never have been doping!"
If that doesn't apply to you, MOVE ON.
Repeat after me: "Not every post is about me, and not every post needs me to reply."
All those many people would be wrong both ways, because you cannot "prove" or "disprove" doping with performances.
But assuming for argument that her fast performances were doped, there are still non-doping confounders:
Age: Shelby was 26 and 27 when she ran her fast 1500m and 5000m performances. Now she is 32.
Training: Back then she was a Nike athlete, coached by Schumacher and Flanagan, with all the advantages of Nike training and recovery facilities. Now she lives in a trailer, coached by her sister, and is looking for sponsors.
The thread also overstates Houlihan's outdoor season as a disaster. She had a pretty successful comeback in the indoor season, and it's premature to judge her outdoor season. She may simply be trying to peak for the USA Championships and World Championships.
I am surprised the Rekbot waited so long this time before bombarding us with his off-topic hallucinations about his beloved drug cheat. Maybe his mom cut him off the internet for a few days.
I am surprised the Rekbot waited so long this time before bombarding us with his off-topic hallucinations about his beloved drug cheat. Maybe his mom cut him off the internet for a few days.
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My replies are directly responsive to the posts I quote. If they are off-topic, it is not my reply that veered off topic. (Case in point -- spigl's off-topic post and your response).
My response times are often within 1 day -- not sure why that surprises anyone as being too long, or why anyone thinks I've been off the internet for a few days. On the contrary, most probably think it is too short and too often. I understood it as a lame excuse to provide lame insults when posters like you and Spigl can do no better, or are feeling inferior and need to lash out.
I have no hallucinations, but I do have plenty of doubts about decisions based on ambiguous facts, and questionable science, and questionable application of the rules, only supported by a set of presumptions.
"On the contrary, all think it is too short and too often. I have no hallucinations, but I do have plenty of doubts about decisions based on ambiguous facts, and questionable science, and questionable application of the rules, only supported by a set of presumptions." ⬅️ yes, we are well aware. Don't forget about intent, blah, blah, blah!
She DID dope. Tested positive. Nothing to do with what I said.
She is 32.5 yrs old. Beyond her prime. Not complicated.
Then I'm not talking about you, genius. Why are you making it about yourself?
I'm talking about people who said "See?? She's still fast! She must never have been doping!"
If that doesn't apply to you, MOVE ON.
Repeat after me: "Not every post is about me, and not every post needs me to reply."
Also, Bekele set his half marathon PB at 37.
You do not seem to get it. No idea why you are struggling with this.
I said she was 32.5 yrs old and well beyond her prime. Would not expect her to be running very fast times at this stage. I said NOTHING about doping; an entirely different discussion that you are free to have. Houlihan is late in her career. Performances typically decline.
Do I think she used PEDs??? Of course. She tested positive. Nothing to do with what I commented on. I suggest you move on as well.