Yomif Kejelcha the worst last lap runner of all time? It's probably still Stewy McSweyn.
Kejelcha is a heckuva runner with a poor kick. He also stupidly always goes to the front but is never able to gap the field like he would need to. He'll always be a bridesmaid but never a bridge in the big races.
Didn’t he win the race today by “gapping” them? I’m really confused here.
French Morroccan getting within touching distance of EL G's WR at age 31, and two Kenyans coming out of nowhere to run 3:27/8, one of them an '18 year old', and one of them called 'Lagat'.
Is there a new undetectable form of EPO out there or something?
I don’t see these kind of posts from you when some of the lighter skinned runners are excelling. Maybe I missed them?
The only thing getting me through is I really don’t think Nico Young is doping, so if he can be as good as he is clean, other people should too. 3:27 after never running 3:28 before is insane at age 31. On the flip side, Habz has never been close to this level. If he was going to dope, why would he start at age 31, the year AFTER his home Olympics?
I’ll also fall back on old reliable: if two British guys could run 1:41-42/3:29 back in the 80s clean, surely today, with all the advantages in training and technology, and like 6x the population (in the US), we should be expecting several guys just from the US to be under 3:30.
Because maybe at age 31 you look at your career and say "I tried to do it one way and look where it got me. I'm 31 now and have what 1-2 years left of this at best - time to roll the dice. If it works out I'll make my fame and fortune and if it doesn't then so what, what did/do I really lose"?
Let's be honest here, a lot of us on this messageboard come from places where this equation isn't really relevant to us/seems inconceivable even if we were in this position (a fringe world elite miler), but the reality is we can't actually ever really put ourselves into the same position/mindset etc of all these Kenyans that get busted/run 1.42/3.27 out of freaking nowhere, or these dudes like Katir/Habz from North Africa moving and transferring allegiance to central European nations like Spain, France etc.
That seems like a fairly plausible reason/explanation to me, no?
This isn't a comment on Lagat, but on the premise that training in the US with a Brit makes a foreign athlete "believable". We have the counter example of Nijel Amos, who trained in the US at OTC with Brit Jake Heyward.
Totally fair. I’m just pointing out that groups are often looked at as a hive of doping. Certainly Coevett traffics in that, unless a Brit is involved.
Haven't seen the race but would not have been surprised if 19 year old Aussie wonder kid Cameron Myers ran 3:28 in this one. Let's see what he does at Ostrava next week.
Because maybe at age 31 you look at your career and say "I tried to do it one way and look where it got me. I'm 31 now and have what 1-2 years left of this at best - time to roll the dice. If it works out I'll make my fame and fortune and if it doesn't then so what, what did/do I really lose"?
Let's be honest here, a lot of us on this messageboard come from places where this equation isn't really relevant to us/seems inconceivable even if we were in this position (a fringe world elite miler), but the reality is we can't actually ever really put ourselves into the same position/mindset etc of all these Kenyans that get busted/run 1.42/3.27 out of freaking nowhere, or these dudes like Katir/Habz from North Africa moving and transferring allegiance to central European nations like Spain, France etc.
That seems like a fairly plausible reason/explanation to me, no?
Who knows with Habz…he transferred allegiance because he moved to be with his mother and study in France. Certainly there is plenty of incentive for any athlete north of 30 and so close to top of the world to dope. People seem to think it’s about getting out of poverty but Habz just made himself hundreds of thousands today in bonuses, future appearance fees, etc. The only thing I’ll note with Habz is we might look back at this race in a few months differently IF the big 4 (or 2-3 of them) match up in a Silesia drag race or whatever and all run 3:26. This isn’t something I’d rule out either.
Haven't seen the race but would not have been surprised if 19 year old Aussie wonder kid Cameron Myers ran 3:28 in this one. Let's see what he does at Ostrava next week.
Koech, Nader and Myers in that one. Should be a battle up front.
It’s not about making excuses, just understanding context. Have you ever raced? Did you always run to the best of your abilities, or did you feel and run better in some races than others?
If you find the difference in contexts between Nuguse at age 24 and Habz at age 31 to be small, then you’re being unreasonable.
They aren't that much different. Nuguse and Habz were pretty similar in 2023. Habz likely had an injury or setback in 2024 and went on whatever stuff Nuguse went on in the 2023 diamond league final.
I don't recall Habz winning any DL races in 2023 like Nuguse did.
Cowardly way to hide behind your own racism. The level of cheating exhibited by North and East Africans has been astronomical. A lot of it is due to them being able to play on Westerners who want fairness while they will do anything to win. Sure, there are Westerners with that attitude as well, but the numbers pale against the Africans who literally DGAF about cheating to win.
You are correct sir. I am white but obviously I am racist against whites. You got me!
That’s actually quite a common mindset that the media has established in the West. What else do you hate about yourself?
Good run for Habz, but I don’t think he is medaling. the times just don’t seem to mean as much anymore because of the super spikes, pace lights, bi-carb, and training knowledge.
Is it just me or does Habz’ speed suit usually seem to short?
You are correct sir. I am white but obviously I am racist against whites. You got me!
That’s actually quite a common mindset that the media has established in the West. What else do you hate about yourself?
Yes of course. We white racists who are constantly discriminating against our fellow whites have become an epidemic. We are proliferating and we are essentially the only racists that remain. You are so smart.
That’s actually quite a common mindset that the media has established in the West. What else do you hate about yourself?
Yes of course. We white racists who are constantly discriminating against our fellow whites have become an epidemic. We are proliferating and we are essentially the only racists that remain. You are so smart.
Rather weak deflection. Are you one of those folks of a certain group who claims to be white in certain situations then turns around and claims not to be white, especially when trying to agitate actual POCs?
It's hilarious watching Gault and Weldon trying to justify these 1500m results. Habz is the 6th FASTEST ever at this distance 3:26 Hicham El Guerrouj - Olympic Champion 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat - World Champion and challenged Hicham 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop - Olympic Champion, busted for doping 3:26.73 Jakob Ingebrigtsen - Olympic Champion 3:27.34 Nourredine Morceli - Olympic Champion 3:27.49 Azeddine Habz - .........Are you kidding me Plus that other young kenyan who ran 3:27.72 No way this is legit.
Not saying those guys above him aren't doping but come on lol.
French Morroccan getting within touching distance of EL G's WR at age 31, and two Kenyans coming out of nowhere to run 3:27/8, one of them an '18 year old', and one of them called 'Lagat'.
Is there a new undetectable form of EPO out there or something?
I don’t see these kind of posts from you when some of the lighter skinned runners are excelling. Maybe I missed them?
French Morroccan getting within touching distance of EL G's WR at age 31, and two Kenyans coming out of nowhere to run 3:27/8, one of them an '18 year old', and one of them called 'Lagat'.
Is there a new undetectable form of EPO out there or something?
Likely there is - the one the Americans, British and Norwegians are taking
or are you arguing that a Kenyan has to be on drugs to still be slower than an American or Norwegian ‘clean’