the 800 has been known as a positive split race for years because the stats back it up. over the years, the majority of people setting out to win an 800, have run instinctively to win, and there are 1000s of stats from those races, produced organically, to show that in most cases, positive splits produce the fastest races.
could that be changing with bicarb products? time will tell.
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i would like to learn about his training during the latest injury periods
who did the surgery?
and speaking of the 800 and the prior conventional wisdom to split 2 seconds plus for the first 400m? i never understood that beyond bro science explanations, and especially the fact that it was almost done at the elite level for best time. which kind of made it a fact... which apparently it is not.
it is looking like even splits is the best for time, back in the day there was a precedent, but rare.
like the ovett russian love child ran, and wottle ran in 72, in a race that i can watch again and again, and get excited every time ,also symonds ran his 142 this way as well. rudisha ran 52 and 50 in africa at his peak ...
my favorite athlete secretariat ran belmont, they say in an all time one off, all time record, running each quarter faster than the previous one, for a record, i think stands today, in a win 31 lengths ahead. and this implies that the horse could have run faster ... as he was still accelerating.
actually in horse racing, given they have like a million data points, negative splits for best time , the odds are almost zero... which makes it "face".
things get interesting when a solid theory has holes blown in it.
down voted bigtime wow. interesting
the theme is running faster all the way with the first part of the race at a substantial pace.
with examples.
the examples are very instructive to an 800 m runner and coach.
the races tell the tale, the negative or more like the even split run
If true (I suppose DB could be bluffing) this is the most interesting post so far in this thread. What do we reckon the two (shoes + bicarb) are worth?
This is crazy. How has a pro 800 runner in 2025 not at least tried bicarb in a training session? It's not a secret, and it's not prohibitively expensive. It's likely he's leaving time on the table by not using it.
Don’t believe anything out of his mouth. Look at 2021, when at the trials he said he wasn’t affected by injuries, then later on he claimed injuries. He’s a head case. And now he’s a doped head case, I wwouldn’t be surprised if he had a TUE for something to overcome a completely different “malady” than the stated prescription. This is a real mess. Hopefully he gets roasted at nationals so that this cruel joke stops.
This is crazy. How has a pro 800 runner in 2025 not at least tried bicarb in a training session? It's not a secret, and it's not prohibitively expensive. It's likely he's leaving time on the table by not using it.
Don’t believe anything out of his mouth. Look at 2021, when at the trials he said he wasn’t affected by injuries, then later on he claimed injuries. He’s a head case. And now he’s a doped head case, I wwouldn’t be surprised if he had a TUE for something to overcome a completely different “malady” than the stated prescription. This is a real mess. Hopefully he gets roasted at nationals so that this cruel joke stops.
This is crazy. How has a pro 800 runner in 2025 not at least tried bicarb in a training session? It's not a secret, and it's not prohibitively expensive. It's likely he's leaving time on the table by not using it.
Don’t believe anything out of his mouth. Look at 2021, when at the trials he said he wasn’t affected by injuries, then later on he claimed injuries. He’s a head case. And now he’s a doped head case, I wwouldn’t be surprised if he had a TUE for something to overcome a completely different “malady” than the stated prescription. This is a real mess. Hopefully he gets roasted at nationals so that this cruel joke stops.
No rust. Sure. lol
Seems like a perceptive take to me. Look at every great runner in history coming back after a long layoff.
Donny’s comeback is an anomaly for sure and he was probably prodded into getting back on the track after seeing Hoppel run 1:41. If Brazier runs 1:41 this year it will show the sport to be a farce.
If true (I suppose DB could be bluffing) this is the most interesting post so far in this thread. What do we reckon the two (shoes + bicarb) are worth?
This is crazy. How has a pro 800 runner in 2025 not at least tried bicarb in a training session? It's not a secret, and it's not prohibitively expensive. It's likely he's leaving time on the table by not using it.
Why run 1:40 six weeks out from US trials? The spectacle will be so much bigger in Tokyo.
After last year I thought Rudisha's WR would go this summer, I just didn't think it would be Brazier that took it down.
...my favorite athlete secretariat ran belmont, they say in an all time one off, all time record, running each quarter faster than the previous one, for a record, i think stands today, in a win 31 lengths ahead. and this implies that the horse could have run faster ... as he was still accelerating...actually in horse racing, given they have like a million data points, negative splits for best time , the odds are almost zero... which makes it "face".
things get interesting when a solid theory has holes blown in it.
Except that Secretariat didn't run each quarter of the Belmont faster than the previous one. He did that in the Kentucky Derby (where he also set a race record that still stands, though not one as amazing as his Belmont record).