IF he stays healthy, 1:42.6 is a forgone conclusion.
A huge IF and there’re no fast races domestically in the 800 besides Trials. So let’s see how the rounds go and then will he travel out to Europe to chase times. If he makes the team surely yes, if not I’m not sure what his next move will be.
Fun fact: Brazier’s 1:44.70 he ran yesterday is the same exact time he ran for his outdoor season opener in 2019, the year he won the world championship!
I hope he is doping. Only a fool thinks the rest of the pros don’t dope. It’s only fair. If he’s doped it still wouldn’t take away from the greatest of this comeback.
If he is training under Dave Smith or Mike smith he is clean but if it’s Ed eyestone or Jerry Schumacher he is dirty. Pick and choose your coaches wisely as they determine your doping destiny. It’s possible to race and train at high level clean but you have to generally be under 25 to do that examples are:
1) Nico Young
2) Graham Blanks
3) Adbi Nur
The rest that are not named are dirty.
I get the sense you are joking, but in case you aren’t, you have no idea if Mike Smith and Dave Smith coach clean runners or if Young, Blanks, or Nur are dirty or clean.
In the four years since Brazier was last competitive, men's 800 has gone from the worst to arguably one of the top events in track internationally.
1:44 high in June means pretty much squat, especially coming from a guy that has been AWOL for, I repeat, four years. I'm glad Brazier is back. I root for American athletes and thought he had a shot at the WR based on his progression. This result, for me, is a flash in the pan until proven otherwise over a sustained and competitive racing schedule.
In the four years since Brazier was last competitive, men's 800 has gone from the worst to arguably one of the top events in track internationally.
1:44 high in June means pretty much squat, especially coming from a guy that has been AWOL for, I repeat, four years. I'm glad Brazier is back. I root for American athletes and thought he had a shot at the WR based on his progression. This result, for me, is a flash in the pan until proven otherwise over a sustained and competitive racing schedule.
Maybe we are best pumping the brakes some here...
It’s inarguably one of the best in my eyes. But if you think Brazier was maxed out in a low-key Toadfest race with no pacer/competition you’re crazy. This is a guy who could run 1:43 in his sleep on limited prep before bicarb and some of the events advancements. The point is he’s more talented than Ben Pattison or even Wyclife Kinyamal let’s say. He just needs to get 90% of the training in. I don’t think these guys are really .5s better.
that was also previously reported on the forums here.
The post race interview by flotrack was such crap. A lot of questions come to mind after this, how are you not ready to ask them? Who’s coaching you? What kind of training are you doing? Anything in training let you know 1:44 was doable? How’s the back, foot? What do you think of the advancements of 2025?
This is what happens when Flotrack hires influencers and not journalists.
In the four years since Brazier was last competitive, men's 800 has gone from the worst to arguably one of the top events in track internationally.
1:44 high in June means pretty much squat, especially coming from a guy that has been AWOL for, I repeat, four years. I'm glad Brazier is back. I root for American athletes and thought he had a shot at the WR based on his progression. This result, for me, is a flash in the pan until proven otherwise over a sustained and competitive racing schedule.
Maybe we are best pumping the brakes some here...
Here above we have the inevitable rain parade post. Nobody in this thread, and doubtfully any sensible knowledgeable fan has yet suggested that because of this one race, Brazier is somehow able to compete with Wanyonyi, Atop, and others at Worlds, let alone even make the USA team against guys like Hoppel and Hoey. You're putting words in people's mouths by building a fake argument.
Everyone is just happy to see DB racing again and posting a world class time. Staying healthy this season, having a racing schedule, competing at all at USAs, racing a few races in Europe, and finishing in decent times will be an unbelievable comeback even if he doesn't run faster than 1:44.70 the rest of the season. Anything beyond that will be icing on the cake, and making the team, making it to the finals in Tokyo, and somehow winning or even medaling will be in the conversation of the greatest sports miracle story in history. It would compete with the USA hockey team beating the Soviets for the gold.
In the four years since Brazier was last competitive, men's 800 has gone from the worst to arguably one of the top events in track internationally.
1:44 high in June means pretty much squat, especially coming from a guy that has been AWOL for, I repeat, four years. I'm glad Brazier is back. I root for American athletes and thought he had a shot at the WR based on his progression. This result, for me, is a flash in the pan until proven otherwise over a sustained and competitive racing schedule.
Maybe we are best pumping the brakes some here...
You're trying so hard to be contrarian you end up looking silly. Even without the feel-good injury narrative this is a very strong result.
Soloing a 1:44.7 would be a great season opener for anyone, but Donavan Brazier isn't just anyone. He's a supertalent, so this is nowhere near his ceiling.
And yes it's June, but remember that Worlds are later this year. Brazier has 8 weeks to keep training for USATF champs. Nobody's crowning him the new king of the 800, we're just celebrating a great result that gives the USA 800 squad even more depth.
In the four years since Brazier was last competitive, men's 800 has gone from the worst to arguably one of the top events in track internationally.
1:44 high in June means pretty much squat, especially coming from a guy that has been AWOL for, I repeat, four years. I'm glad Brazier is back. I root for American athletes and thought he had a shot at the WR based on his progression. This result, for me, is a flash in the pan until proven otherwise over a sustained and competitive racing schedule.
Maybe we are best pumping the brakes some here...
You're trying so hard to be contrarian you end up looking silly. Even without the feel-good injury narrative this is a very strong result.
Soloing a 1:44.7 would be a great season opener for anyone, but Donavan Brazier isn't just anyone. He's a supertalent, so this is nowhere near his ceiling.
And yes it's June, but remember that Worlds are later this year. Brazier has 8 weeks to keep training for USATF champs. Nobody's crowning him the new king of the 800, we're just celebrating a great result that gives the USA 800 squad even more depth.
Agreed. It kills me how negative some people can be.
IF he stays healthy, 1:42.6 is a forgone conclusion.
A huge IF and there’re no fast races domestically in the 800 besides Trials. So let’s see how the rounds go and then will he travel out to Europe to chase times. If he makes the team surely yes, if not I’m not sure what his next move will be.
If he is training under Dave Smith or Mike smith he is clean but if it’s Ed eyestone or Jerry Schumacher he is dirty. Pick and choose your coaches wisely as they determine your doping destiny. It’s possible to race and train at high level clean but you have to generally be under 25 to do that examples are:
1) Nico Young
2) Graham Blanks
3) Adbi Nur
The rest that are not named are dirty.
Your number one I have a lot of doubts about. Terrible form, and a HS coach who trained with an EPO cheat (Christian Hesch)?
Hoey/Hoppel/Koech/Miller have all run 1:43 already in 2025. Now Brazier's back in the mix. Maybe Sam Whitmarsh or Tinoda Matsatsa makes a jump at NCAAs next week?
Men's 800 getting really interesting in the US this year!
And Hobbs randomly popped off in the 800 last year at USAs, maybe he’ll have a similar speed jump at the end of this season
Basically a four year layoff then a 1:44…it’s natural for HONEST people to be suspicious. But “for some reason” their posts are removed. The board is in full-on CCP mode - or maybe they think Brazier might crumble from the slightest criticism and the poor 28 yr old kid has to be protected Brazier might be clean, he might not. Hopefully we’ll find out the honest truth.
Sumner running HS times, whats up with that..if he is is hurt or not fit, you hold him out
He is running close enough to his level at 400-600 (1:15 win at Penn, 46.06 400). It just makes me wonder if they’ve punted on endurance work, in which case do they really think he can run a competitive 800? Off of I guess speedwork and natural endurance? I don’t really think it’s going to happen.